<p>Either Andover or Exeter...or any of those feeder schools?</p>
<p>If so, I envy your guts.</p>
<p>Guts? Why need them; they are pretty much on the list already.</p>
<p>I know…It’s kind of depressing. I know 2 people who go there…if you do well enough its poof Harvard poof Princeton poof…</p>
<p>It has nothing to do with the fact that these kids go to Andover or Exeter. Rather, kids who come from privileged, well-connected families simply end up at these two schools en masse.</p>
<p>Andover to Harvard Data 2004-2009
[Phillips</a> Academy - School Profile & College Matriculations](<a href=“http://www.andover.edu/Academics/CollegeCounseling/Pages/SchoolProfileCollegeMatriculations.aspx]Phillips”>http://www.andover.edu/Academics/CollegeCounseling/Pages/SchoolProfileCollegeMatriculations.aspx)</p>
<p>Dear God…Dear God…Dear God…</p>
<p>Goodness, just saw those numbers.</p>
<p>junhugie, I know you have great stats, so don’t let this kind of things bring you down. 
It doesn’t matter from which school you come from, you have the same chance to be admitted at Harvard, and any other schools.</p>
<p>That would normally be the case, but these schools are feeders…If you go to these schools and you reach a certain point, you’re IN.</p>
<p>^You understand though, that’s for a reason. These schools are extremely challenging academically, so getting a 3.7 there says much more to a college admissions officer than a 3.7 at a run-of-the-mill local high school. It’s this trust in the school’s academic reputation for rigor (and the students from these schools are often very well prepared, from my experience) that leads them to accept kids from these schools.</p>
<p>If you go to these schools and you reach a certain point, you’re IN, but it’s really hard to reach that point. 10% of the graduating class, on average, may go to HYPS, but that probably includes a whole bunch of athletes, affirmative action candidates, legacies, trust-fund babies, the ever-popular trust-fund-baby-legacies, and children of Foreign Ministers in third-world country governments. </p>
<p>Plus, Andover (and other schools like it) draws its students from a national/international pool. The top four or five students in an Andover class may well be able to pick their colleges, but getting to be one of those top four or five students is a heck of an accomplishment.</p>
<p>There are some public schools where the same thing holds true, by the way. The top 4-5 students at Stuyvesant in NYC or Thomas Jefferson in Alexandria VA are probably in an equally good situation. Those high schools probably send MORE academic kids to HYPS than Andover does, but a lot fewer athletes, legacies, and development candidates.</p>
<p>One of my elementary/middle school friends went to Phillips for high school (while I went to a decent public school in an overrepresented area). He wasn’t the smartest student, and he got some B’s in middle school (I’ve never gotten less than an A in any class). </p>
<p>Next year, he’s going to Yale, where I was deferred and then rejected.</p>
<p>So I’d say there’s definitely something to the feeder school thing. I’m sure Phillips is incredibly rigorous, but at a certain point, I think the edge for going there is more than it should be.</p>
<p>The 2002 research (below link) shows the secrets why a decent private can outperform a decent public in the competition to get more people into HYPS. Most of top public high schools don’t have HYPS admission oriented/centered support system, and don’t have the target, goal and motivation to get the students into HYPS.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.electricprint.com/edu4/classes/readings/edu-eliteschools.htm[/url]”>http://www.electricprint.com/edu4/classes/readings/edu-eliteschools.htm</a></p>
<p>^ Silly. That “research” shows that small schools in the Northeast with rich, connected student bodies send a higher percentage of their students to HYP than larger schools with less-connected and less-wealthy students. Big whoop.</p>
<p>Also, things have changed significantly, even since that article. I am pretty familiar with the schools on the list in my area, and none of them has sustained those kind of numbers over the past four years.</p>
<p>In my area, five top public high schools (ranking among national 60-150) in the graduating size 400-600 got around 1.5% to 2% into HYPS in the last four years. A decent private in the graduating size 160 reached 10.8% into HYPS in 2009 and average 9.58% into HYPS in 2006-2008. In total, public and private are equal in the number of around 40 each year.</p>
<p>For instance, the trend for Andover into HYPS in 2004-2009 can be found at [Phillips</a> Academy - School Profile & College Matriculations](<a href=“http://www.andover.edu/Academics/CollegeCounseling/Pages/SchoolProfileCollegeMatriculations.aspx]Phillips”>http://www.andover.edu/Academics/CollegeCounseling/Pages/SchoolProfileCollegeMatriculations.aspx) .</p>
<p>I go to a fairly strong public HS and 5% of our graduating class of 400 students were accepted into HYPS.</p>
<p>In the past 20 years, 2 people have been accepted to Stanford and 2 people to Princeton (and 1 of those was accepted to both, so that’s 3 people). That’s it.</p>
<p><3 ridiculously large public schools with 4 counselors (not just college counselors) for 2500 students</p>
<p>I’m just saying (I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it yet) but a lot of these kids are probably legacies at these schools too. I think if you go to one of these feeder schools, chances are your parents care a lot about admission to college and have a lot of money (unless you’re on scholarship) and have gone to these uber-selective schools.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.andover.edu/Academics/CollegeCounseling/Documents/CCOProfile09-Final.pdf[/url]”>http://www.andover.edu/Academics/CollegeCounseling/Documents/CCOProfile09-Final.pdf</a>
Also if you look at SAT scores, almost 50% of students scored in the 700-800 range on each part of the SAT. I think the number of acceptances is so high because the average caliber of student is so high as well.</p>
<p>Btw, the faculty/employee’s kids into H/P/Y/S in a public school around H/P/Y/S should be excluded to reflect the true admit rate into HYPS, which accounts for 4-5% in the graduating class of the public high normally.</p>
<p>^ Only 1/20 of the HYPS kids from my school are faculty/employee kids. However 3 are also recruited athletes. Omitting these 4 cases still results in 4% of my public HS class being accepted into HYPS.</p>
<p>4% is an amazing #, if the public high is the general admission, not test-selective in the area.</p>