<p>UMich is a much better engineering school overall. NU’s engineering program is virtually unknown save one or two of its specialties.</p>
<p>@#19: What does endowment have to do with anything?
It’s not like the school is actually spending that money on education or its resources or its students.</p>
<p>Since so many are stuck on USNWR rankings, here is another one pertaining to undergraduate teaching. </p>
<p>[Best</a> Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank)</p>
<p>Michigan engineering is probably the school’s strongest broad offering and a great program. If there’s a substantial cost saving at UM, it would be hard to argue in favor of Northwestern. Having said that, if you are financial aid eligible, costs may differ little between the schools and could even favor a private over a state u. Don’t know where your finances stand.</p>
<p>To those not familiar with the Engineering First curriculum, I’ll tell you that the undergrad program at Northwestern, being copied at a number of other schools now, is awesome. It allows budding undergrad engineers to experience small mentored classes/labs as freshmen, almost unheard of until this program was started. </p>
<p>[Engineering</a> First ® Program: McCormick School of Engineering at Northwestern](<a href=“Undergraduate Study | Academics | Northwestern Engineering”>Undergraduate Study | Academics | Northwestern Engineering)</p>
<p>“Michigan engineering is probably the school’s strongest broad offering and a great program.”</p>
<p>Michigan is strong across the board in many disciplines, not just engineering. It really has no weaknesses.</p>
<p>I disagree with the satement that NU’s engineering program is “relatively unknown.” Although most famously known for its journalism/theater programs, from what I hear, its next-most famous are both engineering and pre-med.
But again, there is no denying Michigan’s are exceptional as well.
As for my family’s financial situation, my dad is a retired engineer and my mom is a substitute teacher. Yet our income is $170,000 and unfortunately our spending is high. I’m concerned I won’t qualify for any need-based financial aid anywhere. I don’t know if I’d get any merit-based at Michigan. I’ll try during the next year to accumulate as many scholarships as I can get, and I work too.</p>
<p>And I’ve been to Novi sometimes; I’m from the Deteoit area (Oakland County) as well.</p>
<p>Like I said liv4 you’re lucky you live in Michigan. You have the option to get a world class education at half the price of most of it’s peer schools. Btw, the music/theater/dance school at U-M is one of the tops in the country as well. Michigan does not have a journalism college.</p>
<p>Northwestern is better. Just flat out better in every aspect.</p>
<p>First off, as for the dude that posted the USNWR for Engineering, isn’t it hypocritical to say that USNWR rankings for college prestige isn’t viable yet the USNWR rankings for Engineering is? That’s rather misleading. Besides, UMichigan Engineering does not even come close to Cornell Engineering, yet it is ranked higher. I know the two statements were said by two different people, but I’m criticizing the general mindset.</p>
<p>Okay, back to NU vs UM. Like I said before, Northwestern is just a flat out better school. It has the nation’s strongest Undergraduate AND Graduate Journalism program, as well as a world-renown theater program. Their medical program is outstanding, especially their honors medical 7-year program. Michigan has no rights to even try to compare itself to it. </p>
<p>As for your question about Engineering, I’d say Northwestern still has stronger programs. Especially based upon which field of Engineering you want to pursue. Northwestern has this awesome Architecture & Architectural Engineering degree. However, Northwestern’s weakest program is Engineering, whereas UMichigan’s strongest program is Engineering. And Northwestern has an absolutely beautiful campus, I think the only one better might be Stanford. In the end, with only the prestige involved, I would choose Northwestern over UMichigan, even if you are definite about going Engineering. But Northwestern doesn’t offer a lot of financial aid, whereas you’ll receive a lot for UMichigan since you’re in-state. The tens of thousands of dollars you’ll pay for Northwestern will not outweigh the small boost you’ll get by choosing it over UMichigan Engineering.</p>
<p>^^^Are you through venting? I never said Michigan was better than NU, I said it was it’s peer, as is Cornell. Btw, Michigan has the 6th ranked medical school in the country as well. They used to have an inteflex program for medical school, but discontinued it. My point is that if I’m going to pay over 52,000.00 dollars a year for a undergraduate school and degree, it better be way better than one that would cost me under $25,000.00. NU isn’t worth the difference, sorry.</p>
<p>" Besides, UMichigan Engineering does not even come close to Cornell Engineering, yet it is ranked higher"</p>
<p>They are peers. Michigan is ranked one place higher. Big deal. Also to say they aren’t comparable itself is the height of ignorance. Do you even know the first thing about engineering programs?</p>
<p>“The tens of thousands of dollars you’ll pay for Northwestern will not outweigh the small boost you’ll get by choosing it over UMichigan Engineering”</p>
<p>That was my point, except in engineering Northwestern will not give you a boost over Michigan.</p>
<p>1] Not venting at all. Reading comprehension might help next time.</p>
<p>2] Cornell Engineering > Northwestern Engineering > UMichigan Engineering. It’s fact, get over it. And get over yourself. And making a personal insult at my “ignorance” is a rather ignorant thing for you to do. Congratulations on being a hypocrite. And yes, I do know a lot about Engineering programs, especially since that’s all your family talked about while your older brother was applying to Engineering schools, and that’s all your family still talks about ever since your brother was accepted into Columbia Engineering.</p>
<p>3] Northwestern Engineering > UMichigan Engineering, once again. (And also, Northwestern HPME is much better compared to UMichigan Pre-Med). But yes, the immense amount of money is not worth it. Maybe if money’s not a problem in your family at all and you’re looking for a great campus.</p>
<p>“However, Northwestern’s weakest program is Engineering, whereas UMichigan’s strongest program is Engineering.”</p>
<p>So I guess all those highly rated social science, humanities, and natural science offerings don’t count at Michigan? Or the highly rated schools of Business, Education, Natural Resources, Nursing Pharmacy, Public Policy, among others don’t count? Oh that’s right, there is no journalism school.</p>
<p>My only response to that: Reading comprehension, once again. I never said that UMichigan had no other strong programs besides Engineering. I never even implied anything close to it.</p>
<p>Good, valid points made for both schools. novi, are you aware of all the deferrals UofM’s been making for its applicants this year? I guess they over-admitted last year and are trying to compensate this year. That being said, I’ve actually heard of kids getting into NU but being deferred from UofM! One of my teachers said they like admitting OOS applicants due to the greater tuition? Although I’ve always believed I’d be a shoo-in, after seeing students at my school with 34 ACTs getting deferred, maybe my confidence shouldn’t be quite so high… After all, I haven’t been admitted to either yet, so that may be the deciding factor: who actually accepts me!</p>
<p>“Cornell Engineering > Northwestern Engineering > UMichigan Engineering.”</p>
<p>Just plain wrong. There is no sense discussing anything with someone who is an expert in engineering whose brother had to settle for Columbia since he couldn’t get into Cornell. Everyone knows Cornell Engineering is the best in the Ivy League, followed by Princeton.</p>
<p>No, no, no, no, and no. </p>
<p>And he chose Columbia over Cornell. He was deferred then rejected from Princeton however. In any case, I’m fairly certain his Columbia Engineering degree is much more prestigious than your community college degree. Two can play at the “let’s assume your life totally fails” game.</p>
<p>How is Cornell’s pre-med program? Part of the appeal for me for Michigan and NU are due to my not completely decided major (engineering or pre-med) and the strength of both of these programs in both schools, allowing me the luxury of not completely having to make up my mind just yet.</p>
<p>Yes liv I am aware of the situation. Michigan went to the common application this year, and it’s applications went up about 20% A combination of trying to shrink the freshman class to 5,500 and the extra apps have caused a tremendous amount of deferrals.</p>
<p>CalvinTBOD: so now Michigan is a “community college?”</p>
<p>^To quote myself: “Two can play at the “let’s assume your life totally fails” game.”</p>
<p>I’m not trying to convince you to choose Northwestern over UMichigan. Because realistically, if you’re considering Engineering, you really shouldn’t choose NU over UM. I’m just trying to defend the prestige of the college, since a lot of people are making biased remarks against it.</p>