<p>Hmm...I would have thought that Georgetown and Princeton would have ranked higher.</p>
<p>The Gourman report ranks Georgetown and Princeton very highly for International Relations; Princeton is #2 and Georgetown is #4. You're right. I too would have thought they would be rated higher for Poly Sci.</p>
<p>Interesting corroboration for the Gourman Report, if NRC rankings correlate with quality of undergrad programs...</p>
<p>NRC rankings in ENGLISH LANGUAGE AND LITERATURE
rank, college, overall score, effectiveness score for educating researchers, quality score for faculty scholarship</p>
<p>Gourman said almost all the Ivies were among the very best in undergrad English, and NRC rankings agree (for grad program)</p>
<ol>
<li> University of California - Berkeley 21.15 4.53 4.77<br></li>
<li> Yale University 20.55 4.43 4.77<br></li>
<li> Cornell University 19.11 4.43 4.49<br></li>
<li> Harvard University 18.81 4.14 4.77<br></li>
<li> Stanford University 18.64 4.30 4.55<br></li>
<li> University of Virginia 18.62 4.27 4.58<br></li>
<li> University of Pennsylvania 17.87 4.24 4.47<br></li>
<li> University of Chicago 17.32 4.20 4.41<br></li>
<li> Duke University 16.73 3.98 4.55<br></li>
<li> Columbia University 15.90 3.91 4.47<br></li>
<li> Johns Hopkins University 15.65 3.99 4.33<br></li>
<li> University of California - Los Angeles 14.35 3.97 4.10<br></li>
<li> Princeton University 13.92 3.94 4.05<br></li>
<li> University of Michigan 12.88 3.87 3.93<br></li>
<li> Brown University 12.53 3.76 3.99</li>
</ol>
<p>But as we've already seen, Gourman's methodology seems to give added weight to bigger schools. So Cornell's rankings may be artificially inflated somewhat.</p>
<p>why is it that people pinpoint Cornell and not school that are much larger in size like UCB, UCLA, UMich?</p>
<p>NRC rankings in French Language and Literature are also pretty consistent with Gourman Report. Gourman ranks highest to lowest Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Cornell, Penn, (and then some distance below) Harvard, and Brown.</p>
<p>rank, name, overall score, educating researchers score, faculty scholarship score
1. Yale University 20.72 4.49 4.68<br>
2. Princeton University 18.95 4.35 4.55<br>
3. University of Pennsylvania 15.30 3.98 4.37<br>
4. Columbia University 14.93 3.90 4.40<br>
5. Duke University 14.30 3.78 4.43<br>
6. Cornell University 13.83 4.03 4.08<br>
7. University of California - Berkeley 13.63 3.90 4.19<br>
8. Stanford University 11.09 3.52 4.20<br>
8. University of Michigan 11.09 3.73 3.97<br>
10. University of Wisconsin - Madison 10.07 3.79 3.74<br>
11. University of Virginia 7.97 3.61 3.60<br>
12. New York University 7.79 3.53 3.66<br>
13. CUNY - Graduate School & University Center 4.96 3.28 3.48<br>
14. University of California - Irvine 2.92 2.71 3.78<br>
15. University of Chicago 2.68 3.11 3.30<br>
16. Brown University 1.25 3.11 3.07<br>
17. Harvard University 0.69 2.92 3.19 </p>
<p>jpps1-
Yes, I have been saying that I think Gourman puts LACs at a disadvantage but I have been rethinking that...
Caltech and Princeton are pretty small (undergrad) but the Gourman formulas frequently give them high rankings. Perhaps it has more to do with the amenities of having an active graduate program spilling over into undergrad education. Gourman criteria like faculty research productivity, library volumes in the discipline, research assistantships, equipment, computer facilities probably favor schools with active graduate programs.</p>
<p>This is the Gourman bias; I don't dispute the fabulous education provided at places like Dartmouth, Swarthmore, and so on.</p>
<p>Here is PhDs per Bachelors degree in several majors among the eight Ivies:</p>
<p>The results of this next analysis were fascinating. From Baccalaureate Origins of Doctoral Recipients: Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions 1986-1995. I took the number of PhD recipients from Baccalaureate Origins and divided by the total number of bachelors degrees granted in that particular discipline in 2004. (The years don't coincide but they should be proportional, I would think, to the Bachelors degrees granted in the 1986-1995 timeframe.) This gave me a sort of PhD per Bachelors ratio. </p>
<p>For example, I divided 480 PhDs granted 1986-1995 in anthropology/sociology by 240 bachelors graduates in 2004 in anthropology/sociology to get a ratio of 2.</p>
<p>Following are the top 4 Ivies in each discipline in PhDs per Bachelors degree:</p>
<p>life sciences Cornell Harvard Yale Princeton
physics/astronomy Cornell Yale Princeton Penn
earth sciences Harvard Penn Yale
psychology Cornell Brown Yale Princeton
chemistry Cornell Brown Penn Yale
computer science Brown Harvard Penn Yale
mathematics Cornell Harvard Penn Yale Princeton
engineering Cornell Brown Penn Princeton
economics Brown Harvard Yale Princeton
political sci/international rel Cornell Harvard Yale Princeton
anthropology/sociology Brown Harvard Penn Yale
English Cornell Harvard Yale Princeton
foreign languages Cornell Dartmouth Harvard Yale
history Cornell Harvard Yale Princeton</p>
<p>In earth sciences, I only listed three because the fourth was a lot lower. I seemed like a natural break.</p>
<p>Those are great lists! Thanks! Really helpful</p>
<p>Could anyone please post the rankings of all schools for undergraduate mechanical engineering?</p>
<p>Thanks very much,
Sarah</p>
<p>I just want to thank you again for providing these helfpul rankings.</p>
<p>University of Pennsylvania (Wharton): Business</p>
<p>Great lists colleghelp, but two comments:</p>
<p>There is a lot of movement between bachelors and doctoral degrees. Thus, for example, rather than physics, graduate students in physics may have undergraduate degrees in engineering, or other areas that give them a strong enough technical background. The movement is even greater in non science fields, where one does not necessarily confron detailed prerequisites.</p>
<p>The number of Bachelors degrees bounces around quite a bit from year to year. So dividing long term totals of PhD's by one year's BA output introduces a lot of noise. You would be better off pulling a long term average number of BA degrees over 10 years or so.</p>
<p>How about rankings for Biomedical Engineering and Nanosystems Engineering undergrads?</p>
<p>good points afan. When I have time, I'll divide PhDs by 3 or 4 years of bachelors grads and re-post the revised list.</p>
<p>Sarah (Neptune)-
Here is the Gourman ranking for mechanical engineering:</p>
<p>MIT
Stanford
Berkeley
Minnesota
Princeton
Purdue
Brown
Cornell
Michigan
UCLA
Illinois
Wisconsin
Northwestern
RPI
Texas Austin
Stevens
Columbia
U Penn
Carnegie Mellon
Lehigh
Case Western
Georgia Tech
UC Davis
Virginia Tech
Iowa State
Ohio State
Penn State
USC
NC State
U Washington
Yale
Rice
U Houston
Maryland College park
Notre Dame
Syracuse
U Iowa
UVA
Michigan State
Oklahoma State
U Rochester
Johns Hopkins
U Florida
Rutgers New Brunswick
Polytechnic U
U Delaware
Oregon State
Drexel
U Cincinnati
SUNY Buffalo
U Missouri Rolla
SUNY Stony Brook
U Arizona
Washington U St Louis
Arizona State
Colorado State
U Oklahoma
Vanderbilt</p>
<p>Katho11-
There is no ranking for nanotech eng but I recommend Cornell...great faclities.
Gourman ranking for biomedical engineering follows:
Johns Hopkins
U Penn
Brown
Duke
Northwestern
Tulane
Case Western
Texas A&M
RPI
Marquette [this is a surprise entry...]
UC San Diego
Louisiana Tech
Boston U
U Iowa
Arizona State
U Illinois Chicago</p>
<p>I wonder if the above biomed eng ranking makes sense to those who are familiar with the field....some of the schools listed surprised me</p>
<p>Berkeley isn't up there for biomed? Oh well, I know Penn and JHU are good for that major.</p>
<p>Here are the GRADUATE rankings from US News for comparison for biomedical engineering (Berkeley is 14th in the US News graduate school ranking):</p>
<ol>
<li> Johns Hopkins University (Whiting) (MD) 4.7 </li>
<li> University of CaliforniaSan Diego (Jacobs) 4.6 </li>
<li> Georgia Institute of Technology 4.5 </li>
<li> University of Washington 4.4 </li>
<li> Duke University (NC) 4.2
University of Pennsylvania 4.2 </li>
<li> Boston University 4.1 </li>
<li> Massachusetts Institute of Technology 4.0 </li>
<li> Case Western Reserve University (OH) 3.9 </li>
<li> Rice University (Brown) (TX) 3.8
University of MichiganAnn Arbor 3.8 </li>
<li> Northwestern University (McCormick) (IL) 3.6
University of Virginia 3.6 </li>
<li> University of CaliforniaBerkeley 3.5
University of Pittsburgh 3.5
Washington University in St. Louis (Sever) 3.5 </li>
<li> Columbia University (Fu Foundation) (NY) 3.4 </li>
<li> Stanford University (CA) 3.3
University of TexasAustin 3.3
University of Utah 3.3 </li>
<li> University of CaliforniaDavis 3.2
Vanderbilt University (TN) 3.2 </li>
<li> Pennsylvania State UniversityUniversity Park 3.1 </li>
<li> Arizona State University (Fulton) 3.0
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (NY) 3.0
University of MinnesotaTwin Cities 3.0
University of WisconsinMadison 3.0 </li>
<li> Cornell University (NY) 2.9
University of Southern California (Viterbi) 2.9 </li>
<li> California Institute of Technology 2.8
Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 2.8
Drexel University (PA) 2.8
Rutgers State UniversityNew Brunswick (NJ) 2.8
Tulane University (LA) 2.8
University of Rochester (NY) 2.8 </li>
<li> Purdue UniversityWest Lafayette (IN) 2.7
SUNYStony Brook 2.7
Texas A&M UniversityCollege Station (Look) 2.7 </li>
<li> CUNYCity College 2.6
Marquette University (WI) 2.6
University of CaliforniaIrvine (Samueli) 2.6 </li>
<li> Clemson University (SC) 2.5
University of AlabamaBirmingham 2.5
University of CaliforniaLos Angeles (Samueli) 2.5
University of Iowa 2.5
Yale University (CT) 2.5</li>
</ol>
<p>What are the rankings for philosophy?</p>
<p>For Philosophy Grad Programs, within the Ivy League:</p>
<p>1) Princeton (3rd nationally)
2) Columbia and Harvard (tied for 6th nationally)
4) Cornell (11th n.)
5) Brown (21st n.)
6) Yale (25th n.)
7) Penn (33rd n.)</p>
<p>I think this is pretty representative of the strength of undergrad programs. However, I would think Dartmouth, which doesn't have a graduate program, would be very good for philosophy undergrad (Maybe tied with Cornell).</p>
<p>For general rankings (not just Ivy League) go to <a href="http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/overall.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/overall.htm</a></p>