<p>I know Brown and Yale are considered the most liberal, but that doesn't necessarily rule them out for me. I just want to go somewhere people will respect my beliefs.</p>
<p>I think as long as you are respectful of others people will be respectful of you…</p>
<p>They are all largely liberal and all will be respectful.</p>
<p>It’s a shame that political viewpoints (liberal/moderate/conservative) are considered the benchmark for how religiously accepting a school might be. Truly sad.</p>
<p>Anyways, as long as you don’t proselytize, you’ll be comfortable almost anywhere. You’ll run into the occasional a-hole who just HAS to prove you wrong, but you’ll run into those people all through out life so you might as well learn to deal with them now.</p>
<p>I agree with the conservative/liberal thing as a benchmark, especially since I don’t firmly hold to any part of that spectrum. Interestingly, I’ve heard Yale is extremely accepting of Christians even though it is notoriously liberal as well.</p>
<p>Yale has numerous religious groups, including a fairly large Christian Fellowship affiliated with Intervarsity. For all of these schools, you could probably find info on the school’s website about religious groups on campus.</p>
<p>An interesting question, I’m tempted to say “unanswerable.” And I suspect in the context of which it is asked, it is such. </p>
<p>But what is certain? God is @ all of them, despite rabid attempts to eliminate His presence. But ain’t none of 'em with a campus culture congruent to Wheaton or Biola or Eastern or Messiah or a great many places where Christ is central to the spirit, vision, purpose, and programs.</p>
<p>btw, …I don’t think this is about respect, religion or politics. It’s about Christ. Not nearly so complicated as we might portray it.</p>
<p>You might even rephrase the question as follows: which Ivy League is the best for Christians, considered as an evangelistic opportunity?</p>
<p>Great point …does one desire to be preaching to the choir, or making friends with hostile natives?</p>
<p>I edit “Choosing the Right College,” (ISI Books) which makes a point of tracking which schools are welcoming/tolerant environments for students with traditional mores, especially Christians. We rank such schools with Red/Yellow/Green “lights,” with detailed rationales in each profile. Of the Ivies, the one that has the widest range of opinion, and consequently offers the best welcome to Christians, is Princeton–hands-down. The James Madison initiative there is very much worth looking into. To learn more, check out our profile of the school (sorry, it’s a pay-site) at [CollegeGuide.org</a> - Home](<a href=“http://www.collegeguide.org%5DCollegeGuide.org”>http://www.collegeguide.org).</p>
<p>John, are you able to copy and paste any of this? Thanks for the lead. Having had family @ even dear old Presbyterian Princeton, I confess to amazement and skepticism, but not enough to merit spending $25 to glean info on what sounds like a worthy mission …but in the end is mired in the spiritual land of oz. Simply hard imagining the heathens of Haddonfield lending any real credence or possibility of nurturing any missionary zeal for Christ on campus. Please make my day …and prove my skepticism all wet.</p>
<p>oh dear, i wish people would learn to respect and tolerate another one’s belief or lack of belief. NO ONE can claim with absolute certainty that god either exists or not for NO ONE can possibly know, and for the believers (whatever god they may worship; denomination, eg catholic, pentecostal, jehovah witness, born-again, mormon…) that their religion is the true one. respect and tolerance (and not arrogance and pretentioness) ought to be de rigueur</p>
<p>I would say colleges with larger recruiment.Let’s suppose there are 200undergraduates out of 4700 undergraduates in Yale are faithful Christian;Then we go to Cornell ,hypothetically,has the same ratio of students who are faithful Christian,then there would be more than 400 out of 10000 there.Comparing 200 people in Yale,400 well be a large number which make you group feel stronger.And also larger student body means more diversity. If there is a larger student pool there individuals would pay lesser attention to students other than themselvies .</p>
<p>interesting
Princeton huh?</p>
<p>Wonder what makes it more open to christians…</p>
<p>We are doing the college search and considering this issue as well…</p>
<p>Brown is a great university, but I heard from a friend that her friend had a really hard time adjusting because there were no campus church or small groups.</p>
<p>Why would you assume that any of them would be bad for Christians? You would certainly meet many fellow Christians at any of them. You will also meet many non-Chjristians, some of whom practice other religions. Is that what you’d find bad or hostile? In all but a few extreme cases, I would assume those students wouldn’t find you bad or hostile for not practicing their faith.</p>
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<p>Please cite these rabid attempts to eliminate God. I believe that you’re interpreting any institutional unwillingness to evangelize specifically for the Christian faith as an attempt to eliminate God. That strikes me as hostile toward other faiths.</p>
<p>Plus… if you realize that there aren’t any campus fellowship in whichever ivy league you attend, why not start one? This may be a representative fallacy, but honestly, I expect an average Ivy League student to at least be able to start a small club. I haven’t attended public colleges, but private colleges encourage starting new clubs as long as you can at least a group of people with similar interest (it’s like what? 5 to start one with a faculty mentor (and yes, i’m 99.9999% sure there would be at least one professor who would support a christian fellowship group) in my college)</p>
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<p>Ten seconds on Google reveal that this isn’t true. See [Office</a> of the Chaplains and Religious Life](<a href=“Chaplains and Religious Life | Brown University”>Chaplains and Religious Life | Brown University)
Brown has several groups, including Intervarsity, and it has Protestant, Catholic,and other services in its chapel. I’m certain that every Ivy League school has multiple Christian campus groups.</p>
<p>Ok, let’s get honest here, folks. And honest is a derivative of truth. And truth be told, Brown U. (and it’s sadly FAR from being alone in the crowd of secular higher ed), is about as un-Christian an institution as one could find on the planet earth. Loosey goosey to the max, which simply means relativistic in approach to virtually all aspects of student learning, including spiritual development. One truth is as good as another …UNLESS it’s a conservative Christian belief. Then it’s not only unacceptable, but it’s unutterable. To proclaim the exclusive truth of the Cross is literally blasphemous on this campus. </p>
<p>Doubt it? Check out Chuck Colson’s views of his alma mater, which he supported generously for years and years …until he discovered upon being invited to “speak” about Christian ethics, that in fact, zero pub had been provided to alert students and faculty to his coming. Why? Guess. Yea, because he was told “please, don’t mention anything about your Christian awakening. Just tell us the stuff of Watergate.”</p>
<p>Now, guess what he DID speak about? Even to an audience of a relative handful. No, he makes it very clear that Believers can no longer be laissez faire in supporting places like Brown U. </p>
<p>Wanna bet there’s not a single professor who’d admit that he/she believes in the Creation story vs. evolution? I’ll take any, all bets.</p>
<p>So be honest, i.e. Truthful, with a capital T. The notion of this entire thread is ludicrous, none of these places are “great” universities relative to edifying and embracing the Truth. And after all, isn’t that what students should be pursuing in an education costing a cool quarter million and more? Of course.</p>
<p>But the Truth is, that anyones asking this question are confused about this issue.</p>
<p>Now, are Brown and company “prestigious,” “elite,” “selective,” “recognized,” etc.??? Oh yes. But any Christian Believer is in gross denial or ignorance about his/her alleged convictions if they are trying to rationalize and/or justify their worldliness and enamourment with these places. Cannot be IF one really considers the values, practices, and outcomes of these.</p>
<p>Lastly, does this suggest that Christians cannot grow, learn, attend, bear fruit as Brown alums, etc.? Not at all. God is EVERYWHERE, including Brown. Is He blessing and pleased with that which He sees at these institutions? I’m confident even luke-warm Christian wannabes know the answer to that question.</p>
<p>But be honest. Painful as it was, Chuck Colsen acknowledged the Truth about the place he once held sacred. No more.</p>
<p>So Brown U. may not be a “great university” if one is a Christian. Are there great Christians @ Brown U.? I’d bet my life on it. The challenge will be finding and sticking to them.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, Whistle Pig, but I think your definition of “Christian” is pretty narrow, even for Christians. I’ll grant you that there probably aren’t that many professors–if any–at Brown who don’t believe in evolution. But plenty of Christians don’t see rejections of evolution as the key to determining who is a real Christian.</p>
<p>But as I said on the other thread, if this is really your view, you really might not like Brown, or any college other than a doctrinaire conservative Christian one.</p>