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Sometimes, but certainly not always. NYU has far greater name recognition abroad than Princeton.</p>
<p>“I dispute the assertion that UM has better reputation than WashU internationally, which may be true ten or fifteen years ago.”</p>
<p>Obviously you, and a few more internationals here on CC, are under the delusion that most of academia are as much slaves to USNWR rankings as many of you are. The truth is, using a direct object to prove my point, that Michigan has “A” better worldwide reputation than WUSTL.</p>
<p>“Sometimes, but certainly not always. NYU has far greater name recognition abroad than Princeton.”</p>
<p>HYPSM all have prestigious internationally reputations. I seriously doubt that NYU has A “far greater” name recognition abroad then Princeton in the area of prestige.</p>
<p>LOL. It’s so funny that a UMich defender asked a question about WUSTL’s vs Berkeley’s international prestige and it was answered by another UMich. Btw, Berkeley is the only public university in the US that is well known for its prestige. I dont know why, but prolly because it is really hard to get into to that school, and it has almost everything except brutal winter. UMich accepts students who only hold O level diploma which is equivalent to US 10th grade. So, even though it’s not easy, it’s also not really that hard for international students to get into UMich. </p>
<p>“Michigan has “A” better worldwide reputation than WUSTL”</p>
<p>Nope. For the millionth time, it does NOT have a better worldwide reputation than WUSTL. Unless what you mean by reputation is familiarity. But u know what, I think we should stop arguing cos it doesnt help the OP with anything.</p>
<p>That’s fine BearCub. If you honestly believe that WUSTL has more international prestige than Michigan, I’ll leave you to your delusion.</p>
<p>“Btw, Berkeley is the only Public university in the US that is well known for its prestige. I dont know why, but prolly because it is really hard to get into to that school, and it has almost everything except brutal winter.”</p>
<p>Now how can anyone argue with this logic?</p>
<p>Guys, is this debate STILL going on? Seriously…
Remember, we want to help the OP, Soundwave, out.
And who knows, maybe he’s already had enough of our bickering. Maybe he even favors one school already.
Does the OP still need our help? Has he chosen a school yet?
Both WashU and UMich are terrific schools. Let’s stop arguing about ‘prestige.’ I think ‘prestige’ is a word that is always going to be subjective, and the OP already stated he is looking at other factors.</p>
<p>“UMich accepts students who only hold O level diploma which is equivalent to US 10th grade. So, even though it’s not easy, it’s also not really that hard for international students to get into UMich.”</p>
<p>BearCub, I have never seen a student equipped only with an O’ Level diploma get into Michigan. I have seen students with the O’Level diploma AND a high school diploma (one additional year of high school) get into Michigan, but the O Level on its own is not sufficient. Michigan’s website clearly indicates that for students following purely a British-paterned education, the A’Level is required. </p>
<p>This said, all US universities accept students with the O Level certificate + 1 additional year of high school, so Michigan is not unique. I am not sure what you are trying to say. If you are implying that it is easy to get into Michigan and that 10th graders can gain admission, you are either maliciously trying to denigrate the University (and spreading misinformation that could potentially hurt other students) or you are clueless. </p>
<p>By the way, the O’Level is equivallent to 11th grade, not 10th grade. Again, it would seem like you are deliberately trying to defame Michigan. The A Level is equivallent to 12th grade and one additional year of high school made entirely of AP courses. The UK primary and secondary school system works on a 13 grade system, not a 12grade system like the US. That explains why the British university system is a three-year course whereas the US university system is a four-year course. The British high school curriculum is one year longer than the American system.</p>
<p>Again… I don’t care about things like reputation or prestige. I am seeking undergraduate study, and I am sure to attend graduate program, so all I need now is great academia instead of “reputation”. After all people can still achieve great thing in a less prestige school.</p>
<p>And yes, muchoschocolate, u r right, I have already chosen one (actually just now). So again, thank you for the help your guys offered, really appreciate!</p>
<p>British-Patterned Education</p>
<p>(U.K., East and West Africa, Caribbean area, East Asia.) Consideration for freshman admission requires at least five ordinary level passes from one sitting at “credit” standard on the General Certificate of Secondary Education(GCSE), or a comparable maturity certificate (GCE, CXC, SPM, HKCEE, IGCSE, WASC, EASC, etc.). The Certificate must include a “credit” or “distinction” standard in English. (Externally-issued, ordinary level examination results/certificates must be received by the deadline for consideration.)</p>
<p>“Again, it would seem like you are deliberately trying to defame Michigan.”</p>
<p>Alexandre: Nope, if you read my post carefully in this thread. I tried my best to give credits to UMich. Anyway, in Singapore, A lv track is 2 or 3 yrs. So, maybe it’s just Singapore. Finally, just wanna apologize if you thought that I was bashing UMich pursposely (which I did not), I was just defending my school.</p>
<p>“If you honestly believe that WUSTL has more international prestige than Michigan, I’ll leave you to your delusion.”</p>
<p>rjkofnovi: If you can only think that two schools cant be equally good, one of them has to be worse than the other. Then alright, I’m not gonna argue with you anymore, you WIN! Btw, I have never said or believed that WUSTL has more international prestige than UMich. Furthermore, I dont think I used the word prestige. You are the one who kept using the word recognition and prestige. =)</p>
<p>So Soundwave, where have you decided to go?</p>
<p>Sorry, Alexandre, because I don’t want cause anymore trouble, so I decide not to speak out. Hope u understand</p>
<p>I understand. Either way Soundwave, you made the right decision. Those are two truly awesome universities.</p>
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<p>Then how do you explain:
- Michigan’s more than a century of involvement in China, almost as old as Yale’s.
- Michigan’s joint institutes and research exchange programs with Peking,Tsinghua, Fudan and Shanghai JiaoTong University.
- Michigan-China University Leadership Forum, co-sponsored with the Chinese Ministry of Education.
- Michigan dedicated the 2007 school year as the “China Now” theme semester, with a series of seminars, visiting scholars … completed with a dragonboat race down Huron River.
- Currently there are 773 students from China enrolled at Michigan; that is on top of the 142 from Hong Kong and the 284 from Taiwan.
- Ross School of Business operating an office in Hong Kong to coordinate its many executive training programs in China and the rest of Asia.</p>
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I believe vinceh has answered your question (post #46) from the perspective of the employers/hiring managers. And it agrees with my nearly 20 years of experience working in the petroleum and IT industries in Asia. One of Michigan’s strengths is its strong industry and alumni networks (both undergrad and grad). There are thousands of Michigan alum working in the Greater China areas, including some very prominent people in the political and financial areas.</p>
<p>This is vinceh’s post: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064378444-post46.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064378444-post46.html</a></p>
<p>OP, the reason why some posters emphasize the prestige/reputation because it is a very important factor for international students who plan to work abroad (It is less important for U.S. students who plan to remain in America). For example, many global companies will only consider applicants from a handful of schools (undergraduate and graduate level), and UMichigan is more likely to be on their target list than WUSTL. It may sound silly now because you don’t care about reputation, but once you graduate you will want every advantage (e.g., access to global alumni networks) you can get. That’s how the real world works. </p>
<p>vinceh and GoBlue81 (both industry veterans) offered you very good advice. We don’t know your ultimate professional plans, but good luck with your decision.</p>
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It’s more like $8,000 per year. Based on 2009-10 costs:</p>
<p>Michigan
Tuition and fees: $34,230
Room and board: $8,590</p>
<p>WUSTL
Tuition and fees: $38,728
Room and board: $12,060</p>
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<p>Well not really because WashU costs more.</p>
<p>“Currently there are 773 students from China enrolled at Michigan; that is on top of the 142 from Hong Kong and the 284 from Taiwan.”</p>
<p>No disrespect, GoBlue81. But, what are you trying to convey besides UM-China relation? </p>
<p>I do realize that this is unrelated to the topic (my apologies first for going off the tangent!); however, my passport is green color issued by the Taiwanese government, whereas Chinese passport is red color issued by China. Please do not lump Taiwanese together with Chinese to make your point, thank you! I am listed as Taiwanese in 2010 United States Census. It is rather unfortunate that the international community had succumbed to the political pressure excerted by the Chinese government, thereby forced the Taiwanese government to go by the name of Republic of China (R.O.C.) or Chinese Taipei instead of Republic of Taiwan (R.O.T.) or simply, Taiwan. </p>
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<p>Personally, though acknowleged and well awared of WUSTL as one of the premier academic institution in the country, I for one, will give the edge to Michigan as the better pick of the two for many reasons that you all have already discussed. And Yes, I had attended THE Ohio State University, yet, I had chosen to embrace and respect our rival - University of Michigan as our HC Jim Tressel who had went on to defend HC Rich Rodriguez on the issue of NCAA infraction when the news first broke out. In fact, I’ve never heard or read him discredit UM either personally or publicly in any way. It is the fans that does all the smack talks. Even so, as an OSU fan by alumni association, I can attest that deep down, there is an undeniable enormous respect between the Buckeyes and the Wolverines. Know that traditions rule in the Big Ten! lol</p>
<p>carry on… :)</p>
<p>I know that the U Michigan fanatics love to believe in their school, but the reality is that, for the vast majority of students at a place like Wash U, U Michigan is a back up college. You can quote all of your PA scores and foreign newspaper rankings and what not, but that’s the reality. Sorry.</p>
<p>GoBlue,
I think your financial facts are incomplete because, unlike almost any other major university in America, U Michigan charges different rates for its Freshmen/Sophomores than it does for its Juniors/Seniors. About $2500 more per year for Juniors and Seniors. I don’t know why, but one could interpret this as exploiting their Juniors/Seniors who, by this time, are now very likely committed to staying at U Michigan. Can you explain why U Michigan increases costs and charges in a fashion different from virtually every other top school?</p>
<p>I think one also needs to consider financial aid (need or merit). Wash U is known to be very generous on this with a large number of its students and meets 100% of demonstrated need. For OOS students and particularly for internationals, U Michigan is not and only meets about 60% of OOS student need.</p>