<p>That Ivy Plus list… the fact that Georgetown is included and Rice, Emory, Vanderbilt are not speaks to its lack of credibility.</p>
<p>“That Ivy Plus list… the fact that Georgetown is included and Rice, Emory, Vanderbilt are not speaks to its lack of credibility”</p>
<p>plus it includes Georgetown, Williams and UVA and not Notre Dame, lmao. Eastern elitism at its best…</p>
<p>spurtster, 25 is a pretty lowly ACT score for a cutoff of elite schools. I would raise that to at least 28 and get rid of some of that riffraff like the SUNY schools. Elite? You’re joking right? Bucknell? lol</p>
<p>This is a pretty decent list of schools—Newsweek’s 25 “New Ivies”</p>
<p>[America’s</a> 25 New Elite ‘Ivies’ - Newsweek.com](<a href=“http://www.newsweek.com/id/39401]America’s”>America's 25 New Elite 'Ivies')</p>
<p>The Wall Street Journal also lists Notre Dame in its top 10 “New Ivies” along with schools like Duke, Northwestern, Wash U, Vanderbilt etc.</p>
<p>lmao, the “Ivy Plus Society” is a SOCIAL network. That is hilarious that someone would post that as what constitutes an ‘elite’ school.</p>
<p>shanka, actually these would be the most moronic posts:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064866396-post20.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064866396-post20.html</a>
“The Ivies are overrated. For undergrad education and experience, atmosphere, ND does not take a back seat to anyone”</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064863312-post147.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064863312-post147.html</a>
" I would put ND up against ANY Ivy in terms of undergraduate education."</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064863541-post157.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064863541-post157.html</a>
“in terms of UNDERGRADUATE education, ND is right up there with any Ivy. The Ivies don’t stress undergrad, its all about graduate research. At ND, its about the undergrad. You are taught by profs at ND, not TAs trying to write their thesis. ND has all the advantages and resources of a major university but teaches in the manner of a small liberal arts college”</p>
<p>potamus,
Welcome to CC, but I think you’re shanking off the first tee. Goodness knows that ND has a lot of good things for you to spout off about, but take a suggestion—your credibility would improve with some enhanced presentation (ie, supporting data). Present some comparisons and maybe a few minds and eyes could be opened. </p>
<p>Educated people who don’t have an axe to grind know and accept that Notre Dame has as strong a brand as any college in the USA and does an excellent job in delivering a terrific undergraduate environment and experience. Notre Dame students are on par with any of the non-HYP Ivies, its alumni are as passionate and devoted as any in the entire USA, and the school’s deep financial resources place it in the Top 5 in the USA. </p>
<p>Geographically, I’m sure you know that being located in Indiana (ugh! Flyover Country!!) doesn’t help much with the elites. So, educate 'em and give 'em a few comparisons to support your statements. But don’t bother to address the clueless, corrupt PA ratings of USNWR. Hostility to religion, and particularly anti-Catholicism, runs rampant in academia. The only ones who get it worse are the Mormons.</p>
<p>hawkette, I would agree with most of this, except ND really is not on par academically with the likes of Brown, Dartmouth, Penn, Columbia and even Cornell…seriously.</p>
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<p>Elite:
Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Stanford, Penn, Columbia, Caltech, Williams, Amherst</p>
<p>Honorable Mention:
UChicago, Duke, Dartmouth, Swarthmore</p>
<p>JA,
Help me understand your comment about the relative “academic” strength. Do you mean the research reputation of the faculty or what? </p>
<p>Can you also explain how you believe that the UNDERGRADUATE quality/experience might differ?</p>
<p>Hawkette, I agree, ND will never be ranked as high as it should be by US News because of 1) religion and 2) US News weights their rankings toward graduate research universities and thus ND with its undergrad focus as primary will lose out in some of those comparisons (number of PhDs, grad research grants, fellowships etc).</p>
<p>As for my presentation, I have provided a number of hard stat posts throughout my postings. I also just like to **** off the Ivy elitist snobs like JohnAdams who go ape when you dare to challenge their overrated schools. Its fun.</p>
<p>Oh, and ND grads would devour the likes of Cornell, Penn, Brown and Columbia grads any day of the week. We eat them for lunch.</p>
<p>Check out Huffington Post on The Most Grueling Colleges in America. I think elitism should be thrown out of the door as it does not among to anything other than to compare to who has the longest ‘d i c k’ if you know what I mean. School that values strong academic output should be the measurement for America’s continual and future leadership success in the world. Elitism leads to arrogant, bigheadedness and self-important. These attributes will eventually lead to over-estimatation of worth and over-confident in action which will eventually lead to failure in thinking and policy formulation. Products of elitism are abound in our society. Just to name a few such as George Bush, Alan Greenspan, Larry Sumner, Lloyd Blankfein et al are some of the characters to ponder about on our systemic financial failure and foreign policy blunders (aka Iraq, Afganistan). </p>
<p>[The</a> Most GRUELING Colleges (PHOTOS)](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>The Most GRUELING Colleges (PHOTOS) | HuffPost College)</p>
<p>Notre Dame is a second tier school…</p>
<p>PABank, give shanka a couple of years after he graduates from ND and he will eventually realize the same thing</p>
<p>for now let him have fun believing that ND is anywhere close to the Ivies</p>
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<p>I’ve already graduated nits. Magna cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa.</p>
<p>JA,
We’ve already established that Notre Dame is in Indiana and so, yes, it is not close to the Ivies geographically. </p>
<p>But I’m curious to know your reasoning for believing that it’s not close to the Ivies qualitatively. </p>
<p>Would you please expound on this??</p>
<p>shanka, thanks for underscoring the fact that a full education at ND is way below that of the Ivies</p>
<p>tell us again about your claim that a ND undergraduate education is much better than one at Princeton and Yale.</p>
<p>good stuff</p>
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<p>Notre Dame is not in the same league as HYPSM. Get serious!</p>
<p>Mr QuincyAdams, I never said that ND is “way better than Yale and Princeton”. Obviously repeating that extra year of community college did nothing to help your reading comprehension problem.</p>