Which range of schools do YOU consider "elite"? HYPSM? Top 20?

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<p>It matters if you are trying to claim that I would not be accepted. I will once again assure you that my HS academic stats are far superior to yours.</p>

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<p>^ btw, humility is a virtue.</p>

<p>This thread has become useless.</p>

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<p>^ I usually prefer not to release my stats but I’ll do so to shut him up.</p>

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<p>Notre Dame looks at the whole person and a lot more matters than just raw numbers. So you misunderstood my little aside. Notre Dame turns away many valedictorians and even some perfect score testers. Its not all about the numbers. Some day you will learn that.</p>

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<p>I think that one thing that needs to be agreed upon is that ELITE SCHOOLS != BEST SCHOOLS or BEST EDUCATION PROVIDED.</p>

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<p>Shanky- that sounds all well and good, but if you can give me a single example of a 4.0, 2400 being rejected from Notre Dame then I will be extremely surprised.</p>

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Don’t worry, I am in no way solely reliant on my objective stats. I’m a triple varsity athlete and President of a club, VP of another.</p>

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<p>“The data you provided on the previous page places Notre Dame at 7th. I can safely assume that you copy/pasted another poster’s defense of Notre Dame”</p>

<p>They were 4th last year, 7th this year. I have seen a poll where they were 3rd. The point is, they are in the top ten. I think that qualifies as elite.</p>

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<p>I don’t see how a parent’s opinion of whether a school is a dream school for his or her child makes it elite.</p>

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<p>hawkette and PizzaGirl,</p>

<p>I wasn’t arguing with either of you about Berkeley having a regional prestige, and that only HYPSM are probably the only schools whose prestige transcends across all States. I did, however, question your insistence that a Rice education is more valuable than a Berkeley education, and the Rice student body is superior to the Berkeley student body simply for the lack of evidence (supplementary to SAT.)</p>

<p>I also think that ELITE schools are in the radar of most top BBs, as well as, the top scholars. In other words, I think that the combination of views by top academic people and top employers would be able to identify ELITE schools, for ELITE schools are able to educate their students and send them to top, high-paying jobs. That means HYPSM aren’t the only elite schools as you have suggested. Schools like the “lower Ivies”, Duke, Chicago, Berkeley, Northwestern, Michigan, to name some, are also qualified as ELTE colleges/universities.</p>

<p>PSU is certainly a good school. But it needs something more than good to be labeled “elite”, and sadly, PSU hasn’t reached that elite status yet. It’s a good school though and has good name recognition in many parts of America. But it’s not yet in the level of Berkeley, Chicago, Michigan, Cornel and the like.</p>

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<p>BuddyMcAwesome, </p>

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<p>Chicago is certainly elite. It is highly respected by the top academic people and the best and most generous employers in America. Their grads often get into top banks in Chicago, Cali or NY. Same can be said for Northwestern, Michigan, Notre Dame and Duke.</p>

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<p>^I have to agree with RML on this one. Whoever thinks UChicago isn’t an elite university is either:</p>

<p>a) living under a rock
b) not an academic
c) not an employer
d) doesn’t care</p>

<p>Guess what though? Most people fall under category D, which it should be.</p>

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<p>Oh, sorry. I didn’t know that my neighbor had to know what Amherst or UChicago were in order for them to be two of the best schools in the country. </p>

<p>/sarcasm :)</p>

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<p>shanka, you really should stop making a jackass out of yourself. It is really getting to be embarrassing</p>

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<p>shanka, thanks for showing us the data that Notre Dame is a second tier university and no where near the quality and prestige of HYPSM.</p>

<p>The bold emphasis below says it all.</p>

<p>Had Notre Dame been even close to or better than HYPSM, as you claim, the bold below would be “#1” or “top 3” or “top 5”, yet all you see is “top 25”, “amongst catholic colleges”, “23rd”, “among rising universities”.</p>

<p>for god’s sake, even your peace ranking is 13th among MEDIUM SIZED SCHOOLS.</p>

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<p>UNDERGRADUATE
Air Force Academy
Amherst College
Berkeley (University of California)
Brown University
Caltech
Columbia University
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Duke University
Georgetown University
Harvard University
Johns Hopkins University
MIT
Naval Academy
Northwestern University
Williams College
Princeton University
Stanford University
University of Chicago
University of Pennsylvania
University of Virginia
West Point
Yale University</p>

<p>GRADUATE SCHOOLS
<strong>Graduate programs at the universities listed above as well as the following:</strong>
Business School:
Stern – NYU
Ross - University of Michigan
Law School:
NYU Law
University of Michigan School of Law</p>

<p>Medical School:
UCLA School of Medicine
UCSF School of Medicine
University of Michigan School of Medicine
Washington University in St. Louis School of Medicine</p>

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<p>Lesdiablesbleus, all of the schools on the list belong, but several are left out. How can swarthmore (or Bowdoin, Carleton and Pomona for that matter) be left our when Amherst and Williams are included? Those schools are all identical in terms of quality and reputation. How can Cal and Michigan (or UCLA, UNC, W&M etc… for that matter) be left out when UVa is included? Again, those schools are all peer institutions.</p>

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<p>^ Cal is included.</p>

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<p>That’s McAwesome. ;)</p>

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<p>Just for kicks, I decided to use College Navigator (which uses Fall 2008 data) to pick the following “top 50”.</p>

<p>Amherst College
Bowdoin College
Brown University
Bucknell University
California Institute of Technology
Claremont McKenna College
College of William and Mary
Columbia University in the City of New York
Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Davidson College
Duke University
Emory University
Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering
Georgetown University
Hamilton College
Harvard University
Haverford College
Johns Hopkins University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Middlebury College
Northwestern University
Pomona College
Princeton University
Rice University
Stanford University
SUNY at Binghamton
SUNY at Geneseo
Swarthmore College
Tufts University
Tulane University of Louisiana
United States Air Force Academy
United States Military Academy
University of California-Berkeley
University of Chicago
University of Florida
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
University of Southern California
University of Virginia-Main Campus
Vanderbilt University
Vassar College
Washington and Lee University
Washington University in St Louis
Wesleyan University
Williams College
Yale University</p>

<p>My criteria were a combination of acceptance rates, private/public, and test scores.</p>

<pre><code>either <= 30% acceptance rate
or public and <= 50% acceptance rate
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<p>and
either >= 600 SAT Math 25% and >= 600 SAT CR 25%
or >= 25 ACT Composite 25%</p>

<p>Also, I would say quite a few “elite” universities missed my arbitrary cutoffs.</p>

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Or Wellesley for that matter.</p>