<p>Um, law schools are not the same thing as undergrads. If we’re talking universities as a whole, the list would look very different.</p>
<p>Disregard law schools, BB IBanks still recruit/hire from specific schools, some more heavily than others.</p>
<p>alam1, why do you think the top BBs don’t recruit at Emory when they do at all the ivies, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Mudd, CMC, Williams, Amherst, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, JHU, Berkeley, Michigan, UVa, Georgetown and UCLA?</p>
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<p>Wow, Scalia and Thomas should ■■■■. And Ginsburg too I guess. A South American law school? Weak</p>
<p>The question is, what defines “elite” ? I see the discussion has wandered over to SAT scores…although a measuring stick, still not enough.Likely, and as much as we would like to ignore it, “elite” also applies to financial status. Phillips Andover and Exeter get an inordinate number into HYPSMC, but hardly anyone over to Notre Dame.</p>
<p>The salary argument is nonsensical, as others have pointed out, as it is a self reported measure, and excludes grad schools.</p>
<p>Elite colleges also likely place a strong emphasis on an appreciation of the arts, see the Harvard bias in music precollege admissions stats.</p>
<p>Lastly, we could all define elite academically, but using SAT/ HS scores are useless…maybe someone could tally up Nobel winners, Eisenhower Grant winners, NAS members, Pulitzer winners among faculty and current students…by this measure, I’m afraid ND doesn’t even break the top 100 in the world. </p>
<p>[THE</a> - QS World University Rankings 2009 - top universities | Top Universities](<a href=“http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2009/results]THE”>http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2009/results)</p>
<p>I would say that ND’s SAT score/ACT are one level below the ivies/ near ivies, but that is likely the only measure that is comparable.</p>
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<p>No, it would remain unchanged because the list already contains the Justice’s undergrad colleges as well as law schools.</p>
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<p>You need to meet more drunk H and Y alums ;)</p>
<p>Elite Schools according to top Bulge bracket firms. </p>
<p>Citigroup: [Citi</a> Graduate Recruitment - North America](<a href=“http://www.oncampus.citi.com/meet_us/north_america.aspx]Citi”>http://www.oncampus.citi.com/meet_us/north_america.aspx)</p>
<p>Baruch
Boston College
BYU
CMU
Columbia
Cooper Union
Cornell
Dartmouth
Georgetown
Howard
Harvard
MIT
NYU
Northeastern
Penn State
Princeton
Rice
SMU
Steven’s Institute
Stony Brook
Texas A&M
UC Berkeley
UCLA
U of Cincinnati
U of Florida
UIUC
U of Miami
U of Michigan
NOtre Dame
UPenn
USC
UT-Austin
UVa
Washington U@StL
Yale</p>
<p>Note: Emory and Vanderbilt were not in the list whilst UC Berkeley and Notre Dame were.</p>
<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulge_bracket[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulge_bracket</a>
*Bulge bracket is a phrase associated with finance, in particular the investment banking industry.
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<p>Shouldn’t Hopkins be on that list?</p>
<p>Bank of America - [Bank</a> of America | Careers | Campus Recruiting | Campus Events](<a href=“Bank of America Error Page”>http://careers.bankofamerica.com/CampusEvents.aspx)</p>
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<p>Schools in the list:
The Ivies (except Brown)
UC Berkeley
U of Michigan
UCLA
UVa</p>
<p>Schools not in the list:</p>
<p>Emory University
College of William & Mary</p>
<p>McKinsey & Company - [Campus</a> calendars | US Schools Recruitment](<a href=“http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/us_schools/campus_calendar.aspx]Campus”>http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/us_schools/campus_calendar.aspx)</p>
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<p>Schools in the list:
ALL Ivies
UC Berkeley
U of Michigan
UVa</p>
<p>Schools not in the list:</p>
<p>Emory University
College of William & Mary</p>
<p>WOW!!! </p>
<p>Looks like Emory and W&M aren’t that elite in the sight of the top employers especially in the banking and finance sectors.</p>
<p>Again, why is hiring at top consulting/iB firms the measuring stick for education in the liberal arts and sciences? </p>
<p>A few thousand upper middle class kids don’t qualify for financial aid, enroll anyway in schools they cannot afford, and graduate with debt up to their eyeballs. So they put away the “passions” that got them admitted to these schools and sign on to 80-hour/week jobs at “bulge bracket” firms. What does this have to do with who is “elite”, and who ain’t?</p>
<p>^Its amusing how you list like 10 schools where these companies recruit… meaning there are many, many good schools where they don’t recruit…but JUST pick on Emory and W+M. Stay classy ;).</p>
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<p>There are a lot more schools that McKinsey has events at on their website. I am not sure where u got that particular list from.</p>
<p>“Again, why is hiring at top consulting/iB firms the measuring stick for education in the liberal arts and sciences?”</p>
<p>I also want to know the answer to this question. Not everyone aspires to become a i-banker/business analyst. As an education and social sciences person, I could care less about these firms. They have little to no impact on my career direction.</p>
<p>This is exactly the kind of thread that thrives on CC…</p>
<p>haha i’m so impressed that you realize this as a new member puneur…</p>
<p>tenis,
The obvious reason for the myopia of some toward investment banking and management consulting is money. God knows it hasn’t been their contribution to society. Major LOL. </p>
<p>These job areas have historically paid more. Money gives some of the more incorrigible employees a feeling of power, status, increased perception of their ability to control their own lives, etc. You can argue with whether this is legitimate, but that’s the way it is.</p>
<p>hawkette, has it ever occurred to you that Investment Banking and Management Consulting are some of the most challenging and exciting jobs that are out there, in addition to the money made?</p>