<p>Sam Lee, there really isn’t a point in posting that seeing as Shankapotamus will either
a.) ignore the post completely b.) Claim you are a “blueblood Ivy elitest” or c.) Say that you lack reading comprehension skills</p>
<p>Jersey it is even worse thank that</p>
<p>ND sends about **ten times **less students to the top graduate schools than HYP percentage wise…yes, a magnitude less…This, certainly, is not indicative of a school that claims to have better undergraduate teaching than HYP, does it?</p>
<p>21% - Harvard
18% - Yale
16% - Princeton
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2% - Notre Dame</p>
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<p>It is time to turn to some real Notre Dame talk</p>
<p>shanka, tell us - we all want to know how is that new Head Football coach from Cincinnati turning out?</p>
<p>I understand that the top 6’8" TE recruit from a few years ago left to attend UCLA. Does ND have some good TE’s to replace him?</p>
<p>How about Jimmy Clausen’s replacement, Dayne Crist, he is from another Notre Dame - the prep school in the San Fernando Valley.</p>
<p>you see, when people think about Notre Dame, these are the types of questons that they would ask first.</p>
<p>I think their trouble will be on the defensive side of the ball Mr. Adams12. Per Kelly’s defensive team statistics last season, it could be a long year in South Blend.</p>
<p>PA, it is hard to understand why Notre Dame just has not gone to the old days of overpowering opponents on the football field, considering that they have one of the top five name recognitions in the country for success in football.</p>
<p>wow, you guys are just being brutal to Notre Dame. From one end of the extreme (Notre Dame is as good as HYP) to another extreme (Notre Dame is only good for football). Regardless of whether it is as good as Ivies or not, its still a top 20/25 school and deserves credit, not only for its sports, but also its academics.</p>
<p>^Notre Dame is a Top 30 Univ…when one claims “it takes a backseat to no one” aka “is the best”, then they bring it upon themselves</p>
<p>PABank, inlcuding LAC’s and based on ND not reporting its lower scored SAT’s by replacing them with ACT’s*, I really don’t think that ND is even in the top 30.</p>
<p>*note: the actual combined Math and CR SAT’s are probably 100 points lower than reported</p>
<p>I don’t understand why we’re still wasting our time talking about ND. Move on.</p>
<p>@warblers</p>
<p>My statement was actually repeating something Shank had stated, pointing out the double standard he was weaving (earlier he had bragged about parents considering ND their dream school). I wasn’t the origin of that comment.</p>
<p>Who cares about Princeton anyway? If you had to kick one out of HYP, P would always be the one that gets kicked out.</p>
<p>In terms of undergraduate education, many consider Princeton to be superior to both Harvard & Yale.</p>
<p>You’re totally right, Jersey13. Many Princeton undergrads/alumni find Princeton undergrad to be far superior to the other two. Also, people who need to shake up the rankings in their magazine every so often.</p>
<p>Most think the three (four with Stanford) are almost indistinguishable overall, with different strengths in different programs. When it comes to factors like Yield and Admit rate, Princeton comes last, if that was the origin of the “P is the one you’d kick out” statement, but its only a small difference and really doesn’t reflect a real deficiency in Princeton.</p>
<p>Anyways ilovebagels, I understand your zeal for your alma mater but no one has really suggested “kicking out” any member of HYP or even SM on this thread thus far. No matter how much people on CC argue, there exists an almost ubiquitous agreement that HYPSM are the most elite group of schools.</p>
<p>^ Ok so Jersey and JohnAdams and some others, we seem to disagree on what is “elite” with me saying around Top 20 and you all saying HYPSM. Fair enough. Different Opinions. BUT, what group would you all (those who think only HYPSM is elite) place those schools ranked 6-20 or so under? Are they “excellent”? are they merely “good”? Which schools, according to you guys, are in this category? I don’t think you have made comments about these other universities, which I think deserve credit. But then again, you don’t think they’re elite so I guess you don’t have to.</p>
<p>Harvard is an elite school. Northwestern is an elite school. Columbia is an elite school…</p>
<p>Here’s the measuring stick: There are NO companies/organizations/institutions that only hire grads from HYPSM so this acronym is practically meaningless in the real world. The top consulting firms, for instance, have associates from schools that are even ranked outside the top 25. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, smart Harvard grads will be working alongside with smart Northwestern grads in the US. So, there aren’t only 5 elite schools because there’s nothing you can <em>specially</em> do from these 5 schools that you couldn’t do from Columbia, Cornell, Emory, etc.</p>
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No, you seem to have misinterpreted my statement. I claimed that there is a ubiquitous understanding that HYPSM is a group of the most elite schools. There are significant disparities between the student statistics and other academic metrics of the aforementioned group and other T20 schools. However, one cannot extrapolate the idea that I think HYPSM are the only elite schools from my statement. Like you, I consider most T20 schools and several top LACs as “elite”.</p>
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<p>Why is hiring at top consulting firms the measuring stick for education in the liberal arts and sciences?</p>
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<p>I agree with your overall point, but there is one small exception: The US Supreme Court. It doesn’t “hire” quite in the tradtional sense. But attending an Ivy or equivalent school for either college or law school or both has become a defacto qualification for getting to be a Justice.</p>
<p>If Elena Kagan gets confirmed the court’s alma maters will look like this:</p>
<p>Justice College/Law School
Roberts Harvard/Harvard
Breyer Stanford/Harvard
Ginsburg Cornell/Harvard & Columbia
Kennedy Stanford/Harvard
Thomas Holy Cross/Yale
Sotomayor Princeton/Yale
Scalia Georgetown/Harvard
Kagan Princeton/Yale
Alito Princeton/Yale</p>
<p>^ Not only is the US Supreme Court an exception, BB IBanks also have “target” and “semi-target” schools at which they recruit. Although HYPSM may not be the top 5 recruited schools, BB’s will recruit and hire specifically from one school or a group of schools.</p>