<p>Realllllly??? The jocks know Duke? What a surprise…I feel like a school would have to have a national championship team in order for the jocks to respect them…oooo yaaaaaa, I forgot who won that basketball tournament his year?</p>
<p>Well at least we know here the jocks stand on this issue.</p>
<p>No one is saying Dook is bad btw, they are just saying it isnt as good as some (you) think</p>
<p>Again, I only brought up the QS rankings to illustrate the alternative POV, which still , IMHO, has validity. And I suppose, if my D were given the choice, ( she hadn’t applied ) and Duke was the only choice, then, yeah the choice of doctor and jocks in California, go ! </p>
<p>PA bank, I agree about your Dook comment, perhaps the school gets a boost from the pastoral settings…</p>
<p>2010 WORLD UNIVERSITY RANKING
[2010</a> World University Ranking | Top 200 Universities in the world](<a href=“http://www.4icu.org/top200/]2010”>http://www.4icu.org/top200/)</p>
<p>Asian’s viewpoint:
ARWU (also the most cited ranking in the world)
[ARWU</a> 2009](<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp]ARWU”>http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp)</p>
<p>Spanish’s viewpoint:
[World</a> Universities’ ranking on the Web: Top 8000 World Ranking](<a href=“http://www.webometrics.info/top8000.asp]World”>http://www.webometrics.info/top8000.asp)</p>
<p>French’s viewpoint:
<a href=“http://www.ensmp.fr/Actualites/PR/Archives/2008/EMP-ranking.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ensmp.fr/Actualites/PR/Archives/2008/EMP-ranking.pdf</a></p>
<p>The best one I’ve ever seen:
Newsweek:
[The</a> Top 100 Global Universities - Newsweek: International Editions](<a href=“http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14321230/print/1/displaymode/1098/]The”>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14321230/print/1/displaymode/1098/)</p>
<p>Note: only Harvard & Stanford are placed among the world’s top 5 universities in each rank.</p>
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<p>I don’t like your tone. How can you tell HYPSM are elite universities anyways? Is it by prestige? Is it by rankings? Research opportunities? Faculty?
Are you telling me that every faculty at Harvard is better than faculty at Duke?
Doesn’t it look really stupid?</p>
<p>I mean you all make it seem like “Person A” who goes to Harvard will spontaneously become a better person than the same “Person A” who chooses to go to Dartmouth. Well guess what. Obama went to Columbia, which isn’t HYPSM.
I honestly don’t even understand this concept of HYPSM. I’ve only seen it in use here at CC. Its just an arogant and misleading label.</p>
<p>You’re telling me that here in America, only HYPSM are the elites. IF you don’t get into these and you end up going to, oh, Caltech, Duke, or UChicago, then you’re not as “elite” and “respectable.” Great.
This is officially the worst thread in CC.</p>
<p>^ Since when does prestige equate to being a “better person”?
The concept is that this acronym represents the 5 schools generally seen as the most prestigious in the US.
I don’t see how HYPSM is arrogant or misleading.</p>
<p>Well if prestige is such a big deal, then why is Caltech included in this? I’ve heard people discuss HYPSMC.
I’m from the bay area, and the school I’m from people have little idea about Caltech. They think I’m talking about Calpoly (California Polytechnic Institute).</p>
<p>I’m saying if prestige is a factor, then Duke and Berkeley should definitly be up there. Why? Because this world isn’t compromised of intellectuals only. A majority of this world is compromised of jocks, people who work in Sears for a living, gardeners, homeless, etc.
These people have no idea of UPenn, Caltech, Northwestern, even MIT in some cases.</p>
<p>To ignore these people and look at the “intellectual” world completely is arrogant.</p>
<p>The “2010 World University Ranking | Top 200 Universities in the world” is a joke.</p>
<p>Case and point: it ranks Rutgers ahead of Princeton. lol</p>
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So the reason why HYPSM is arrogant/misleading is that Duke isn’t included? </p>
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Since when does widespread name recognition indicate prestige? Your argument is completely irrational and illogical. According to you, all of the big state school powerhouses should be dubbed the new “HYPSM”.</p>
<p>McAwesome…it did teach me one thing:</p>
<p>that there are universities in Mexico</p>
<p>the only thing that should matter in whether a university is considered “elite” is what you think when you hear someone goes/went there.</p>
<p>When I hear someone went to HYPMS, I think wow he’s smart. When I hear someone went to duke or northwestern, I think oh, I guess he’s smart.</p>
<p>There’s a different enthusiasm…</p>
<p>^Then you’re a tool.</p>
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What? No. My point is the concept of HYPSM is flawed. If the concept were to truely follow the prestige factor, then Duke and Cal should have been included. Its not, which further confuses me as to why HYPSM exists as a continual concept. Even if Cal and Duke were to be HYPSMDB, I would still condemn the concept. It makes it seem that these universities are elite and outclasses other great universities out there such as Georgetown, Ivies, UChicago, Caltech, etc.</p>
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<p>I think you’ve misunderstood me. Duke isn’t just a widespread name recognition. Its also prestigious. Hence how jocks even in California know about it and go “wow” about it. And whats wrong with “big state school powerhouses” like Cal? </p>
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<p>So by your logic, you respect George Bush’s intelligence because he went to Yale undergrad and you slightly respect Obama’s intelligence who only went to Columbia for undergrad?</p>
<p>i’m basing this based on a first impression encounter with someone you otherwise do not know.</p>
<p>Also, I would consider Columbia an elite school.</p>
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It does truly follow the prestige factor, what makes you believe that Duke and Cal are equally as prestigious as HYPSM besides the fact that you are matriculating at one of the schools?
Yes it’s prestigious, no one questions that. It is not, however, as prestigious as HYPSM. You seem to have misunderstood me as well, by “big state school powerhouses” I meant in terms of sports.</p>
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I agree. I’m perfectly content with my education, so from this perspective chest-beating is quite unnecessary. However many dozens of posts people devote to writing about the Grand Canyon in quality between HYPSM and Duke/Hopkins/Northwestern, I’m fully aware that going to Harvard or Stanford would not have provided a better education or made even the slightest difference in where I am today, and thus these threads are an endless source of amusement for me.</p>
<p>Speaking of which, I imagine my choice of graduate school would also horrify most posters. Luckily I’m not concerned about their opinions. ;)</p>
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I think that has less to do with pretentiousness and more to do with frustration. Duke is more frequently targeted on CC than any top university except poor WUStL, and some Duke posters prefer to respond in an unsavory fashion. </p>
<p>It’s much simpler if one ignores or politely corrects such remarks. I tend to dismiss posters unable to spell Duke correctly as people incapable of intelligent discourse - after all, it is not exactly Rensselaer Polytechnic or the </p>
<p>Avg. Joe knows about Duke mainly because of its basketball program. JMHO.</p>
<p>People think of Stanford as one of the origins of Silicon Valley (Cal being the other).</p>
<p>“The jocks here for example haven’t heard of Brown, Dartmouth, or Cornell or even UChicago. But they know Harvard, Stanford, and even Duke.”</p>
<p>I’m impressed!</p>
<p>No one is saying Duke is bad. They are just saying there are quite a few schools in this country that are just as good.</p>
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I think that has less to do with pretentiousness and more to do with frustration. Duke is more frequently targeted on CC than any top university except poor WUStL, and some Duke posters prefer to respond in an unsavory fashion. </p>
<p>It’s much simpler if one ignores or politely corrects such remarks. I tend to dismiss posters unable to spell Duke correctly as people incapable of intelligent discourse - after all, it is not exactly Rensselaer Polytechnic or the </p>
<p>You mean Dook corect?</p>
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<p>lmao</p>
<p>10char</p>