<p>hey Jersey, that was one poll I cited. I told you I have seen others by students with similar results. Do me a favor, and do NOT apply to Notre Dame. You are a tool.</p>
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<p>You left Caltech and Chicago off because they’re “relatively unknown.” It should be clear what I think of that line of reasoning.</p>
<p>Shankapotamus:</p>
<p>Is Notre Dame in the Ivy League? Is it a service academy? Is it considered by many to be the greatest science and technology school in the world?</p>
<p>What?
No…
None of these…?</p>
<p>Then I guess it’s not elite.</p>
<p>Caltech is just to small and too unknown in my opinion. 5 years from now, Chicago may be considered elite, but its just not as well known yet.</p>
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The one poll you cited did nothing to support your argument. The other “data” you claim to have is purely anecdotal and thus will not be seriously considered. I appreciate the ad hominem attacks, it only further emphasizes the lack of support for your poorly formed argument.</p>
<p>•Notre Dame is rated among the nation’s top 25 institutions of higher learning in surveys conducted by U.S. News and World Report, Princeton Review, Time, Kiplinger’s, and Kaplan/Newsweek.
•The Wall Street Journal has cited Notre Dame one of the “New Ivies” in American higher education, along with, among others, Duke, Northwestern and Johns Hopkins.
•Notre Dame ranks first among U.S. Catholic colleges and universities in the number of undergraduates who have gone on to earn a doctorate since 1920, according to independent studies conducted by Georgetown University and the Delta Epsilon Sigma scholastic honor society.
•An influential book from Johns Hopkins University Press ranks Notre Dame sixth among 11 rising private research universities.
•Notre Dame is one of the few universities to rank in the top 25 in the U.S. News & World Report survey of America’s best colleges and the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics (NACDA) Directors’ Cup standings of the best overall athletic programs.
•Notre Dame ranks fourth in a listing of “dream schools” in a survey of parents by the Princeton Review. The top four are Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, and Notre Dame.
•Hispanic Magazine ranks Notre Dame 16th on its list of the top 25 colleges for Latinos.
•The Mendoza College of Business at Notre Dame ranks second nationally for its undergraduate program and 20th nationally for its MBA program by BusinessWeek magazine in its surveys of top business programs.
•Notre Dame Law School is rated 23rd by U.S. News & World Report.
•Notre Dame is ranked 13th nationally among medium-sized schools for producing Peace Corps volunteers</p>
<p>That ladies and gents, is an elite school.
Jersey, don’t worry, you can’t get in anyway.</p>
<p>None of that proves Notre Dame is elite. It’s not #1 in a single statistic, and it calls Notre Dame a “rising… university” and a “new ivy”, implying that it is not yet at the top and that the ivies are better.</p>
<p>and how does having peace corp volunteers make you an elite university?</p>
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I assure you, my academic stats are far superior to yours.</p>
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The data you provided on the previous page places Notre Dame at 7th. I can safely assume that you copy/pasted another poster’s defense of Notre Dame.</p>
<p>lol, shank you are obvs a ■■■■■</p>
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<p>Too small to be elite?</p>
<p>@BuddyMcAwesome: read your own arguments… you have ceased to make sense. So a school can’t be elite because its too small and its not well recognized enough by random people (who, btw, know very little about colleges)? That methodology is almost as bad as the one Forbes uses for its undergrad rankings. </p>
<p>@Shankapotamus: says the Notre Dame “sheep”</p>
<p>Seriously, ND is a good school… I would put any top 20 school in the Elite Category and so ND probably sneaks into that list. BUT one thing you have to understand is that Harvard is not the only Ivy (as a previous poster pointed out). Dartmouth and Brown, for example, are undergrad focused and, by most measures, are equal OR better than Notre Dame. However, the differences are minor and they are all somewhat peer schools. Yes, I know I just called a Non-Ivy a peer with an Ivy and on CC, that is blasphemy. Oh Well.</p>
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Why don’t you list off your HS academic stats? I’ll see if I can match up to an “elite” Notre Dame student.</p>
<p>“and how does having peace corp volunteers make you an elite university”</p>
<p>the fact that you don’t understand the meaning and significance of that pretty much tells me all I need to know about you Mr Princeton.</p>
<p>Its too small and one dimension for me to consider it elite. In terms of science focused schools it is elite, but as in my list I did not include schools such as Harvey Mudd that would also fit this category… but I could definitely understand why one would include Caltech.</p>
<p>Shank care to list off your HS academic stats? We can’t really compare college performances seeing as I’m still in HS. However, you can provide your HS stats and defend your claim that I can’t get in ND.</p>
<p>@ Shank</p>
<p>Don’t be patronizing… I think you are just being evasive because you cannot come up with a reason as to why peace corps volunteers would make a university elite.</p>
<p>I agree Alam1, there are some Ivies that are still primarily undergrad focused, and Dartmouth would certainly be one of them. I would put ND’s undergrad education up against schools like Brown, Cornell, Columbia any day of the week. ND is similar to Dartmouth in many respects re undergraduate emphasis. The point is, its no longer the 1930s where the Ivies were it. Schools such as Duke, Northwestern, Wash U, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt are just as competitive now and attract a very high caliber of student and for a variety of reasons are now just as elite as many of the Ivies. In terms of salaries and earning power after graduation, not many schools top ND.</p>
<p>way to sidestep</p>
<p>Jersey, I can’t even remember my high school stats except to say I kicked tail. It doesn’t really matter once you graduate magna cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa does it?</p>