I grew up on the Wisconsin side of the UP. I was north of some of the eastern UP. My senior year it was -48 one day, with a wind chill of -72. We still had school because the buses started and there wasn’t enough ice on the roads to call it off.
My 1981 Buick Skylark wouldn’t start, though, so I got the day off. hehe
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I have not been to N Dakota, but lived 5 years in Minnesota (cold), 10 years in Wisconsin (better, but still cold) and skied those 10 years in the UP. COLD. As @prezbucky said, some days are just beyond cold. One year there was 275" of snow. Do you know how long it takes for 275 inches of snow to melt (when it is mostly below zero)? Think July. They have stop signs at the regular height, but that year extended them all another 5-6 feet higher (so two signs on the same really high pole) because the snowbanks covered the lower signs. It was like driving through ditches.
I love the UP, I really do (pasties!), but it is cold. The good news is that most of the towns are designed for that - the schools, the businesses, the parking lots (with plugs for block heaters). I’m sure Lake Superior State is well designed (may even have tunnels to cross from classroom buildings) and has plenty of activities to keep people busy.
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I shouldn’t have said that Sault Ste. Marie is warmer than any of the N. Dakota, MN & WI schools on the above list because MN and WI are very large states that extend pretty far south. Winona State, for example, is south of Minneapolis, and is on average 3 degrees warmer over December, January, and February, than Sault Ste. Marie.
However, SSM is warmer than all the other ND/MN schools on the list. And the sole WI entry, UW@Oshkosh is just 2 degrees warmer than SSM on average. I am using average high winter temperatures that Google shows on a quickie search for each college town.
Sault Ste. Marie average high temps in Dec/Jan/Feb are 28/23/25 degrees.
Compare with Minot State in ND which is 24/20/24.
U.Minn at Morris is even colder at 24/18/23.
Bemidji St in MN is colder yet at 21/16/23.
U.Minn at Crookston is coldest of all at 21/15/20. That’s
7/8/5 degrees colder over winter than Sault Ste. Marie!
Just for additional reference, I looked up the average winter high temperatures in Duluth which is on the western end of Lake Superior (SSM being on the eastern end) and it shows
25/20/25 Dec/Jan/Feb which is 3 degrees colder than SSM on average per day in Dec. and Jan.
We do, however, agree that there’s often a lot of snow in SSM each winter averaging 109" total. https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/city/michigan/sault_ste._marie
Bemidji has a tunnel system connecting all their buildings - so no need to bundle up unless you want to.
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Honest question: what’s the wind like in these places?
I was from the south and went to a big midwestern flagship for college and was totally fine, weather-wise. When I was visiting grad schools, I went to Ann Arbor. Although it wasn’t that much higher in latitude than where I went to school, I had never experienced anything so cold. It wasn’t the temperature, but the WIND. (Meaning that if I was in an area where by a building where the wind wouldn’t reach me, I was fine. But if the wind wasn’t blocked, it was bone-shatteringly cold.)
And yes, I also realize that Ann Arbor is at the low end of Michigan and not in the UP, but I still strongly suspect that wind (or lack thereof) could make a big difference between these cold locations.
Sault Ste. Marie is not any windier than anywhere else in the upper midwest where there aren’t mountains to funnel the wind. p.s. I went to the U. of Michigan/Ann Arbor and it’s no windier there than anywhere else in flat lower Michigan. You probably just visited on a cold, windy day
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Cold, windy couple of days. I stayed with a grad student for two nights, and the weather was like that the whole time. The following weekend I went to a different grad school where we had iced tea outside on the department’s patio. Suffice it to say, I did not attend Michigan. I still visit it, though, as my spouse is from that state and 85% of my spouse’s attire is some iteration of maize and blue.
Okay, a cold, windy couple of days Probably a cold front moving through. I attended there for a couple thousand days and can confirm that it is often so still in the middle of winter that you could carry a lit candle around all day long outside and it wouldn’'t blow out, aka high pressure system in place.
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Interesting. NIche calculates the non-discounted OOS tuition at $15,445/year (discounted OOS at $13,028/year.
On EI’s own website the tuition for IS & OOS is much cheaper but then they tack on about $3,300 in fees. Niche just folds that into the tuition, as they should. It’s kind of like the ‘destination’ charge for a new car. Should just be part of the MSRP, but no. Eastern Illinois University :: Office of Financial Aid - Cost of Attendance
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UMass used to be like that. Tuition was about $2500/year but fees totalled $11,000/year. Students would get a full tuition scholarship but they would still pay the fees!
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Wyoming clearly charges a different price for out of state students.
Florida schools do offer a grandparent waiver if Grandparents live in Florida. It is competitive based
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I’d say the Florid grandparent tuition waiver is more time sensitive than competitive. The number per school is limited, and I think most of the schools award them in the order the application was received.
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