<p>Looks like the bar is pretty high at UM for in-state folks, too.</p>
<p>NY wants you badly. I think it’s because no one ever hears about them, and its the flagships that everyone is in search of.</p>
<p>^^^That’s true. And people don’t think of sports associated with SUNY’s. Might keep them on a lower profile/visibility.</p>
<p>Last year we visited Washington State University and they basically offered WUE tuition to all OOS students. WUE tuition is 50% above in-state tuition which is a big savinge over OOS tuition.</p>
<p>missypie, I appreciate the fact that maybe VT isn’t right for your daughter for many reasons, not wanting her to go there so she wouldn’t have to be asked about the tragedy of April 2007 is kind of disappointing. I have a son there and although he has been asked about it occasionally, it doesn’t bother him in the least. He mourns for the victims but has hope for the survivors and knows his school will continue to heal. </p>
<p>He is incredibly proud of Virginia Tech and believe me the sense of togetherness that came out of that incident has made the student body there even stronger than it ever was (and it was strong before). It is a great school with some great, smart, kind, and resilient kids. Go Hokies!</p>
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<p>At Minnesota you apply to a specific college, and some are much more difficult to get into than others. Here is the student profile for 2009 students by college:</p>
<p>[Academic</a> Profile](<a href=“http://admissions.tc.umn.edu/Academics/profile.html]Academic”>http://admissions.tc.umn.edu/Academics/profile.html)</p>
<p>Not sure what your D is interested in, but that might make a difference. It’s a great Big 10 school and they do give scholarhips to OOS students as well as having a very low tuition rate for OOS students.</p>
<p>Note–those are applicants numbers–not enrolled. Many top applicants go elsewhere.</p>
<p>Visited URI last week and they said half their student body is OOS. Mostly from NY, NJ, CT. MA</p>
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<p>I admit that after a few years on this board, reading countless threads, I don’t have a good idea of which SUNY campus is which. As a Texan, I admit that to me, the state of New York is divided into New York City or Not New York City and that anything upstate conjures up images of blizzards.</p>
<p>missypie, as a Texan, I visualized all of New England as a bunch of factories all crammed together! That seemed to be about all we studied, anyway. So I was surprised on my first trip to discover all these forests - lots of trees and lakes! And not that many factories.</p>
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<p>LOL, I worked on an environmental deal in New Jersey that invovled all this uninhabited park-ish area. Same thing…that exists in New Jersey?</p>
<p>It strikes people as funny when I say that New York is more trees and grass then crammed buildings. For some reason they believe NYC takes up the entire state, while I know for a fact farms take up most of upstate…</p>
<p>The SUNY system is ridiculously affordable inside and out of state, but no one takes advantage of it because its deemed unworthy if its never been on TV or has been seen shining fro the top of US News rankings…</p>
<p>Guess we all can’t be Florida with snazzy debt free programs, flagship schools littered all over, and the sun shining down on us all day… =.=</p>
<p>Is there a thread that lists the various SUNY locations and their reputation, the areas at which they excel, the type of “college atmosphere”, etc.?</p>
<p>Missypie: If you look under Colleges - Alphabetical - S, you will find threads for various SUNY schools, plus one SUNY - General. You can get a lot of great info there. Binghamton has an awesome reputation. My D’s friends from other states have gotten in - and they tell the OOS kids MUCH earlier than IS. They definitely want them (and my daughter’s friend from outside Boston is going - her #1 choice).</p>
<p>As a Long Islander, I can tell you that there is a lot of great feedback on SUNY’s across the board, especially Binghamton and Geneseo. Stony Brook is a great school too. Our GC pushes New Paltz as an up and comer. For “safer” schools, I’ve heard good things about Albany, Buffalo, Cortland and others. My D’s friends who are into music are hot on Potsdam. </p>
<p>The reason you don’t hear about them (and why many kids are not excited about them) is because they are not getting high profile tv appearances in bowl games or in the Final Four. Just not the excitement of Penn State, UConn or Maryland. It makes a difference in the college experience (even though there are academics and, of course, financial considerations that are more important).</p>
<p>Not a state school, but another school in NY school that gives a TON of aid is Hartwick, which is basically across the street from Oneonta. A friend of mine went and really liked it (ok, that was years ago, but still…).</p>
<p>There’s actually a SUNY system website that has a map of all 64 campuses. You can also search for specific majors and it will tell you which of the SUNYs to look at. They are all very different schools with different areas of emphasis, most were originally private colleges prior to the Rockefeller days.</p>
<p>[suny.edu</a> - The State University of New York](<a href=“http://www.suny.edu/]suny.edu”>http://www.suny.edu/)</p>
<p>When I moved south, many years ago, I took along a coffee table book of the Adirondacks to remind me of home. It came in very handy for those who wouldn’t believe I couldn’t answer all their questions about NYC! NYC’s a 6 hour drive from where I grew up…we just went to Boston or Montreal 'cuz it was quicker!</p>
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<p>It comes as a surprise to most that today in the U.S. there are more forested areas and deer then existed 200 years ago. And that’s because back then more areas were deforested for inefficient farming and predators and people were constantly hunting the deer.</p>
<p>Not read the whole thread so apologies if I am repeating others, but I think the answer is highly correlated with the differential in tuition between in and out of state. All colleges, but especially publics, are run by the bottom line.</p>
<p>I think SUNY Binghamton is a really great college - I remember looking into it a bit when my D was looking at colleges and it had a lot to offer for a reasonable price - but it is hard to get to, isn’t it? (Where would you fly into, and how far would you have to drive after that?)</p>
<p>I think U Minnesota Morris is a really great - Minnesota’s public liberal arts college. Less expensive, not as hard to get into, as the main U in the Twin Cities, and a better fit for many students, but like SUNY Binghamton - a bit of a drive from the nearest major airport.</p>
<p>I am enjoying this thread. My daughter has friends who are very much enjoying U of Iowa and U of Kansas, two schools few from our Ohio H.S. attend.</p>
<p>The UCs aren’t offering much, outside of loans, to the vast majority of their in-state acceptees and have historically not done much for their OOS student either. The draw for the UCs in the current economy is to accept more full-pay OOS students. Not saying there won’t be OOS kids who will be offered $$ just saying I wouldn’t count on it especially this year.</p>
<p>bumpity bump.</p>