<p>Don’t bother with Texas. I attend a prestigious, but unranked public charter school within Texas - and consistently every year we have students that get into Northwestern and Rice but are rejected from Texas due to that % rule that really hurts the University’s selectiveness ranking. As long as that rule’s in place, Texas can never become more prestigious.</p>
<p>GoOakland -</p>
<p>Where are you going to attend? Nucs are a bit like vets. Very few programs and national shortages…</p>
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<p>The University of Michigan is about 35% OOS. It’s erroneous, though, to assume state taxpayers “underwrite . . the main operations” of public universities. For many top state flagships (Michigan included), state taxpayers fund far less of the university’s operations than is commonly supposed. At Michigan, legislative appropriations represent about 7% of the university’s operating budget. The rest comes from other sources including endowment payouts, research grants (both federally and privately funded), alumni annual giving, and tuition. OOS tuition is a very important part of that mix. Assuming OOS tuition is set at something approximating the full cost of an undergraduate education at a place like Michigan, state appropriations aren’t even large enough to fully offset the huge tuition discount state residents are getting. So it’s not as if Michigan taxpayers are supporting OOS students. In fact, you could say it’s just the opposite: OOS students are, to some extent, cross-subsidizing in-state students.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, not every state legislature sees it that way. Some set quotas on OOS students to guarantee more seats for their constituents. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, as long as they’re willing to appropriate enough money to pay the bills. But in many cases they end up shortchanging the universities, and indirectly the very constituents they think they’re helping, by underfunding public higher education once at appropriation time and yet again by limiting tuition revenue while at the same time artificially depressing the quality of the entering class through mandatory residency quotas. It may work politically in the short term, but IMO it’s really bad for public higher education and its consumers, and to that extent just bad public policy.</p>
<p>bclintonk’s analysis is completely consistent with the analysis I got from a high-ranking Michigan official about a decade ago. The taxpayer support at Michigan is very marginal, and apart from the fact that everyone supports the historical mission of the university as a public institution, the viability of cutting ties to the state is a constant topic of conversation among administrators there. </p>
<p>There are probably some other state universities (Berkeley?) in a similar situation, but Michigan’s finances are really very little different than a private institution’s. The difference between Michigan and Cornell is that Michigan gets 2% more of its total budget from state appropriations (7% vs. 5%).</p>
<p>Does UMichigan want OOS or not? I have heard conflicting reports. I know that it is about 1/3 OOS, but people say that it is very tough for OOS to get in. Can anyone talk about this?</p>
<p>“The difference between Michigan and Cornell is that Michigan gets 2% more of its total budget from state appropriations (7% vs. 5%).” Keep in mind that Cornell has a state component to the university.</p>
<p>On Michigan–my daughter was accepted to Michigan, but offered no merit money. She was offered merit at the two other state/state supported OOS schools and UMCP–in-state where she applied. The three state schools that offered her money were not top ten, as Michigan is, but DD was quite a strong candidate. So I think Michigan welcomes full-pay OOS kids with fabulous stats with open arms.</p>
<p>Do SUNY schools give pretty good merit aid to OOS students??? I have a 3.4 how much do you think I can get?</p>
<p>UDel may want OOSers for those reasons mentioned above, but the admissions standards are significantly higher for OOSers.</p>
<p>I’m in California and my counselor said something about how California students could pay in-state tuition in several west coast states and vice a versa. Is this true?</p>
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<p>First, credit to UNC for even reporting this. Don’t even bother trying to get this out of the University of Washington’s website. It’s not there AND when I called and asked they wouldn’t release the info. Sounds like it will take a freedom of information request before UWASH confesses to that information. Looks like they don’t want to embarrass the in-state students. </p>
<p>I would agree that the earlier post was overstated. Still, having an (on average) @50 point spread on the SAT is not insignificant. At some schools that could easily be the difference between those in the running and those not (assuming the same G.P.A.).</p>
<p>keeponreaching, yes it’s true. check out the details here</p>
<p>[Western</a> Undergraduate Exchange (WUE) | Western Interstate Commission for Higher Education](<a href=“Tips For Students | Western Undergraduate Exchange (WUE)”>Tips For Students | Western Undergraduate Exchange (WUE))</p>
<p>I’ll give one example per:</p>
<p>Want:
Virginia Tech</p>
<p>Do not:
UNC Chapel-Hill</p>
<p>SUNY schools give out very little financial aid. For example, if you were to attend Stony Brook as an OOS student without a pell grant, you’ll be paying full tuition (of about 8k/semester). If you get into their honors college, you can expect a 1-2k/semester discount. If you’re accepted EOP, you’ll have everything paid for. If you’re accepted in any other “special” program such as WISE or University Scholars, you might get a 1-2k/semester scholarship. Otherwise, the most that you can get as a regular student is about 500-1k/semester.</p>
<p>ctyankee, regarding the UNC stats, I won’t argue that 50 points is not a significant difference, but I will argue that there are plenty of IS students that match up with the high achieving OOS students. In the above sample there are 1600 IS students above their average. There are 332 OOS students above their average. Let’s guess there are 400 OOS that are higher than the IS average (just a complete guess). Out of those 1600 IS students there will be a lot more than 400 to match up with the OOS. People can’t just say that the IS students aren’t top students or that the OOS students are “way” better. The students from my son’s school who are going to UNC are many of our top students. At least 5 of our top 10. There are similar stories across the state. The OOS students are outstanding and that is respected. I’m just looking for a little more respect for our IS students.</p>
<p>Indiana and Purdue are both about 40% OOS and international. IU gives good automatic scholarships for OOS.</p>
<p>[Automatic</a> Academic Scholarships: Office of Scholarships: Indiana University Bloomington](<a href=“Future Scholars: Office of Scholarships: Indiana University Bloomington”>Future Scholars: Office of Scholarships: Indiana University Bloomington)</p>
<p>Your thoughts on UVA and OOS applicants?</p>
<p>There are arrangements between some states for adjoining states to reciprocate with In state tuition for neighboring states. Midwest, Indiana Michigan, IL come to mind and I heard about in the west some states having the same program.
My D is done with college shopping, but we received some of the best merit aid from the private colleges making them cheaper than an OOS school.
The key is finding the right fit for student academically and socially.</p>
<p>*** There are arrangements between some states for adjoining states to reciprocate with In state tuition for neighboring states. Midwest, Indiana Michigan, IL come to mind ***</p>
<p>We’re in Illinois, and I’ve never heard of Illinois having reciprocity with anyone. I know there’s reciprocity between Minnesota and Wisconsin, but I didn’t know there was anything between IL, IN and/or MI. Which schools offer this?</p>
<p>New England has the Tuition Break plan. You pay 50% over the in-state rate. This is a nice bonus as out-of-state tuition is rising faster than in-state rates. If your state school doesn’t offer a major that is offered in another New England state, then you can go to the out-of-state school at 50% over the in-state rate. If you live closer to an out-of-state school, then you can get the same deal if the out-of-state school participates.</p>
<p>Well, I think PSU wants OOS students…they have close to 35% on the main campus. But they don’t offer much in the way of incentives. I believe they count on getting a bunch of unhappy New Yorkers and NJ residents who are willing to pay full OOS freight (which is very high!). Pitt on the other hand is more generous. And unlike UNC or UVA, you don’t need to be a significantly stronger student to get in. (BTW, not sure about Pitt but I know PSU doesn’t get much funding from the state…9% I believe).</p>