<p>I can personally attest that Pitt rolled out the red carpet for me (an OOS), and the big bucks (full tuition) were part of the package. I chose to attend and found out that I was not the only OOS to receive such a generous offer. I also discovered that approximately 8 of the twelve full-ride scholarships were given to out of staters too. So, it appears that oos discrimination is non-existant with the big money. I don’t know the exact stats for total OOS percentages, but it is definitely sizeable and Pitt is definitely welcoming to the OOS-ers.</p>
<p>It also appeared to me that both Ohio State and Ohio U were both welcoming to OOS, especially in an effort to increase their national presence (in fact, you might have a better chance with getting money at OSU as an OOS). I would definitely encourage any college applicant to include at least one OOS public school because most seem eager to take them!</p>
<p>Include Miami (Ohio) with OSU and Ohio U as welcoming OOS students. It seems all of the major Ohio schools have generous merit scholarships available for OOS.</p>
<p>Regarding the above Midwest arrangement. The MSEP is for certain schools/certain majors for students living in Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Michigan and Indiana.</p>
<p>The only arrangement that I know of for Illinois students is with the University of Wisconsin-Platteville which has something called the Tri-State Initiative. This program gives discounted tuition to students in Illinois and Iowa but only at UW-Platteville. I think with the program the total COA was around $17,000 which is considerably less than some of the instate Illinois schools.</p>
<p>Regarding Pitt:
Pitt receives about the same percentage from the state as PSU ~ 9% of budget. Pitt, however, has a much higher endowment than PSU and this has greatly enabled Pitt to go aggresively after OOS students, both to improve stats and geographic diversity. Pitt’s primary merit scholarships are also tiered to benefit OOS - the lower tier, which used to require an SAT of ~ 1350 to 1450 was $2,000 IS and $10,000 OOS. (I also heard this year, that some OOS students received $12,000 instead of just $10,000, so this tier OOS dollar amount might have increased as well.) The second tier of merit was a full-tuition, requiring at least a 1450 SAT (along with other significant academic acheivements, of course) - obviously the OOS scholarship represents a dollar value of well over $20,000 while the IS amount would be ~ $13,000. Also, for the 2010 academic year, 8 of the 10 incoming freshmen with guaranteed medical school admissions are from OOS.</p>
<p>I don’t know whether this was mentioned in this thread, but since there are other arrangement posts, I’ll mention that there is an Education Common Market on the East Coast made up of 13 states. If something is not offered in your state, you can pay in-state at a cooperating school. Not all schools in all states participate (UVA does not, VTech and W&M do, for example).</p>
<p>JC40: It is much more competitive for OOS students to get into UVA. UVA must accept a certain number of in-state students. It is our flagship school but DS turned it down to go to Pitt. He got the full tuition and engineering scholarship. And like MD Mom’s DD – he also LOVES Pitt :)</p>
<p>I’ll second (or would it be tenth-ed?) Pitt as a school which was extremely good to me as an oos student. </p>
<p>The comparison I would like to make would be to Umich, which also admitted me but only awarded 10k/annum, which isn’t much when oos tuition is ~50K. </p>
<p>I have a friend whose going to UVA but with zero aid, which is fine because he has a trust fund.
This, to me, seems to be the attitude of the very tippy top publics towards oos–happy to admit as long as you’re willing to underwrite the education of a few of their in-staters.</p>
<p>OOS students who received tuition breaks, did you check off “applying for financial aid?” Ran the calculator and we can afford to send the whole neighborhood to college (NOT!) or were these based on academic performance and awarded automatically?</p>
BUandBC82, exactly what I’ve been thinking! I think my school has like 15 of the top 20 in the class going to UNC…including the Val/Sal. And I can think of about 7-8 valedictorians in my county that are attending UNC in the fall. IS students definitely deserve more respect!!</p>
<p>I’d like to recommend Pitt also, especially if you’re a contender for top schools: both me and my friend applied, and were pleasantly surprised to be offered full tuition scholarships.</p>
<p>From what I’ve seen, not only do they want more OOS students, but they’re willing to give generous scholarships too.</p>
<p>From our OOS high school, virtually no one has been admitted to UVA in recent years with less than 1400 SAT scores. There have been many applicants in the 1300 plus range declined, and more than a few with above 1400 board scores. There is a rare exception for athletes who are good enough to compete at the ACC. </p>
<p>Because UVA is the only state school in the eastern area that falls in the ultra elite public category (Berkeley, Michigan, and UVA, for arguments sake), it is a favorite place to apply for Ivy caliber applicants from the northeast and middle atlantic states. Admission is heavily driven by high gpa and sat scores as a minimum qualification, and then by the “holistic” criteria of what are you good at.</p>
<p>Agree completely with dadx on UVA. We have lots of kids apply from our local high school each year and many get rejected. Including my son who was an NSM, with a very high SAT score, terrific GPA, sports, and lots of leadership positions. I guess they didn’t like his essays? They can get away with being REAL picky. Anyway, looking back, he did very well at his in-state flagship public and at about 1/4 the price with scholarships. No, it doesn’t have the elite name, but I’m not sure UVA is worth so much more $ either. UNC is the better buy for OOS students IMO. Not sure why we didn’t give it a try…</p>
<p>UVA is very competitive even for in-state students. This year, they wait listed a student who got accepted at Duke, was selected as a Monroe Scholar at William & Mary and wait listed at Harvard. You would think that being an in-state student – he would be a shoe-in for UVA but nope.</p>
<p>So… if the various linked articles above prove out, the marginal instate student at various state universities will be supplanted by out-of-state applicants who pay higher tuitions.</p>
<p>The questions of interest are:</p>
<p>To what degree will this take place…how many oos students will be added.</p>
<p>From what schools will these state universities attract these OOS students? That is, what schools will lose enrollment to people attending OOS universities? </p>
<p>My off-the-cuff thought is that these students will come from the mid-range private universities, and they will usually be ones who were paying full tuition. OOS tuition at many schools is substantially less than most private schools.</p>
<p>Profile of 2009 Incoming First-time Freshmen*<br>
Total University (overall): 28.1% OOS
College of Engineering: 38.7% OOS
College of Architecture & Urban Studies: 44.6% OOS</p>
<p>toneranger - yup, it is basically a rejection except for the few students that miraculously get off the list. UVA is a great bargain for in-state students :)</p>