<p>UNC wants OOS students, it just is mandated by law to have 82% of the entering class be in-state.</p>
<p>And on the people who are bashing the in-staters, from my high school, all five students that got in had 1400+ SAT scores, which I do believe is higher than the OOS average. Yes the in-state average is lower, and this is to be expected, but that doesn’t mean that it is easy for any student, in-state or out-of-state to get in. Especially since over the past two years in-state admissions has gotten much harder with more students applying because of the relative cheapness.</p>
<p>“The rest comes from other sources including endowment payouts, research grants (both federally and privately funded), alumni annual giving, and tuition”</p>
<p>research grants go to both public and private universities, and are supposed to, you know, fund research. I am not sure its fair to include them in thinking about the relative share of funding for undergraduate teaching. If you excluded them you would find private universities more reliant on tuition and endowments/giving, and publics more reliant on endowments/giving, tuition AND state support.</p>
<p>"From what schools will these state universities attract these OOS students? That is, what schools will lose enrollment to people attending OOS universities? </p>
<p>My off-the-cuff thought is that these students will come from the mid-range private universities, and they will usually be ones who were paying full tuition. OOS tuition at many schools is substantially less than most private schools"</p>
<p>You don’t think it will be people who would have attended an instate public, who were displaced by out of staters themselves, and are looking for a still relatively good deal? Or are those folks so price sensitive, that they will mostly go down the instate public food chain, to the less selective instates? That will put even MORE pressure on the less selective instates, which IIUC are picking up students who would have gone to less selective privates in better economic times, and are also often facing cuts in total enrollment.</p>
<p>the number of enrolling students at UVA from TJ has dropped from 100 to 90 this year (TJ is the number 1 ranked public HS in the country, and is in Virginia, so it is perhaps the single biggest feeder to UVA (despite UVA arguable not showing any favoritism toward TJ). I am not sure why that was.</p>
<p>Brooklynborndad: I haven’t seen the data on numbers accepted versus enrolled so the numbers accepted may have gone down – don’t know until we see those numbers. 60 are going to W&M and 30 to VA Tech. I was impressed by the diversity of schools the class of 2010 will be attending.</p>
<p>We are lucky to be in a state with some very good schools so DS had a choice. There is no way we could have sent him to Pitt without the scholarships and it would have been crossed off the list. It wouldn’t have made sense to pay the OOS tuition when he could be paying in-state tuition at UVA (which is approx. $15,000 cheaper).</p>
<p>Penn State’s website says that there is NO DIFFERENCE in admission standards for in-state vs. out of state applicants. That is extremely rare. While many colleges such as U. of Delaware and U. of Virginia accept many out of state, it still is much easier to get in as an in-state student.</p>
<p>In response to some of the comments about UVa admissions, it really strikes me how much the admissions decisions vary between UVa and William and Mary. It seems that large number of well-qualified students get into one but not the other. I just scratched W&M off the list I’m recommending for my son because they are amazingly tight in granting AP credit.</p>
<p>The SUNY’s definitely look for out of OOS Students. Geneseo and Binghamton are considered the most difficult to gain admission to. Geneseo is the LAC while Binghamton is a University. </p>
<p>Both schools are always in the top 10 list of Best Value Colleges/University’s (US News, Kiplinger etc.). </p>
<p>Kiplinger listed Binghamton and Geneseo as their #1 and #2 Best Value colleges for OOS students for the past couple of years. </p>
<p>OOS is SOOO much more expensive than in-state. I mean, it’s a decision between you and your daughter, but that’s just my opinion. I think going OOS is a huge waste unless it’s for a very specific reason… like there is a school OOS that has an outstanding program in something your daughter is excited about… or the school is ivy league or something. Otherwise, OOS is really a big waste. If she wants to go OOS to be “on her own”… Texas is a big state. I’m sure there is somewhere that would be far from home. But anyway… your decision.</p>
<p>Illinois def wants them. The state can’t even pay the schools the money they owe them anymore, and the schools want to raise revenue by taking more OOS students.</p>
<p>Mississippi State LOVES OOS.
It’s easy to get a full ride with good academics, and they have a fabulous honors program. Their Biomedical Engineering major has a 97% acceptance rate to med school.
Also have the second biggest jumbotron in the nation (Texas is 1st), so it’s a good social school and has good academics.
On my tour the admissions counselor basically told me that with my 31 ACT and 3.7 GPA I would have full tuition OOS. If I bring my ACT up more, I get even more money. They waive OOS at 26 ACT.</p>
<p>Texas A&M is a fantastic school…for those who like A&M. I view it as cult-like; others consider it has having the ultimate in school spirit. You either love it or hate it.</p>
<p>If your plan on living in the south (especially TX), a degree from A&M or UT will avail you as many, if not more, opportunities than the ivys. Longhorns and Aggies stay together and look out for each other like no other people I’ve seen. The networking among them is actually superior IMO to HYPSetc. You can’t go to any company in TX that doesn’t have A&M or UT alumni in some type of mgmt. position. I’ve always said I will allow my children to choose which college they want to attend (D did exactly this…had no interest in TX undergrad schools and will be starting UVA this fall); however, I’m secretly hoping our son has A&M or UT on his radar in 4 years. The school spirit, as mentioned already, is INCREDIBLE at both. Boys who start A&M will graduate as men – men who hold doors for women and treat them with respect; the kind of men who have strong work ethics; the kind of men who have strong morals; etc. As far as getting into UT as an OOS, it’s actually going to be much easier this year with the 8% v. 10% rule. UT has hated this rule almost from the get go, but the state of TX enacted it as a means to diversify the student body. Kids from more affluent suburban publics who fall at that 11% and beyond mark may have 2150+, 4.0, numerous APs but are passed up for kids from rural or inner-city areas with inferior stats simply because these kids are in the top 10% of schools that aren’t as good. UT professors I know says it has created an environment of frustrated kids who have been set up for failure – when they arrive they realize how inadequately prepared they are. Hopefully the 8% change will rectify some of the problem; only time will tell.</p>