<p>I have a list of universities below and I am wondering which one would eventually get me the best education/degree in business/commerce. I am in high school now looking to apply to the following:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
UPenn
Cambridge (UK)
Oxford (UK)
Cornell
Stanford
Duke
Toronto (Canada)
Queen's (Canada)
UBC (Canada)</p>
<p>Thanks guys</p>
<p>Well, to begin with, the only Ivy League school that offers an undergraduate major in Business I believe is Penn. So you can scratch Harvard, Yale, and Cornell off your list.</p>
<p>UPenn's wharton school of business is said to be the best (or one of) in the world. but i hope you don't expect to get one straight answer, b/c everyone is going to post their own opinion. but yeah, for business, wharton Upenn is excellent.</p>
<p>What if it is just undergraduate and then transfering into an MBA school later on? Does it matter if you have undergrad business if you wanted to say be some sort of stockbroker, or an investment banker?</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
UPenn
Cornell
Stanford
Duke</p>
<p>are all great for I-Banking. Not as familiar with UK or Canadian business opportunities.</p>
<p>Undergraduate business school can save you the time and money of going to get an MBA. For those who really know what they want, Penn/Wharton is the surest way to get there.</p>
<p>That being said, I myself find the Wharton curriculum to be rather bland (I'm in Penn's liberal arts college). The best way to look at it is that you could say Penn's wharton students get trained while Penn's college students get educated.</p>
<p>I prefer being in Penn's college and being able to pick and choose the Wharton classes that seem the most interesting or unique to me--that I couldn't get at Harvard College.</p>
<p>Taking an entire class on negotiations was a fascinating experience--combining psychology, game theory, area studies (as the Japanese negotiate differently than, say the Germans or Americans), and business knowledge.</p>
<p>These things make Penn a wonderful experience for me and give me the best of both worlds--a solid liberal arts education and the tools I need to leverage that education into something that is actually employable ;-)</p>
<p>Also check out the Huntsman Program in International Studies & Business, a special program that offers a combined undergraduate degree from both the College and the Wharton school. (<a href="http://www.upenn.edu/huntsman/%5B/url%5D">http://www.upenn.edu/huntsman/</a>)</p>
<p>"Well, to begin with, the only Ivy League school that offers an undergraduate major in Business I believe is Penn." </p>
<p>You believe wrong.</p>
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<p>Absolutely NOT. But, I do agree that Wharton (and LSE?) provide the best undergrad programs. However, I'd go with Harvard or Stanford to benefit with the grade inflation to pad the resume for grad school.</p>
<p>FYI. There are two accredited UG business programs in the Ivy League. Wharton and the Applied Economics and Management program in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences at Cornell. The latter is a up and coming program, ranked #10 this year by Business week. It has the best MBA placement ranking and very well respected and recruited on the Wall street. The beauty of this program is it includes a lot of biological science in the curriculum. It should set one up for biotech, health-care, bioengineering and environmental management related business and IB in these business very well. It is probably the most sought after major at Cornell. They only take in 80-100 freshmen and another 80-100 from upper classmen transfers. 60% of these places go to NY residents. I think it's a great alternative to Wharton.</p>
<p>You can only apply to either Oxford or Cambridge, not both. Perhaps you should replace one of them with either LSE or Warwick. The thing is, if you are interested in working in business, then so long as you go to a "name" school such as the ones you've listed (excluding the Canadian schools) it doesn't really matter what you majored in. So at the schools that don't offer business, find something else that interests you. Some choose economics because it's arguably the closest thing, but be warned that many business wannabes really hate economics because it is slanted so heavily toward math and theory (business students on average tend to be the more practical types). So choose something you can enjoy learning about.</p>
<p>To get into the commerce program at Queens, UBC, or Toronto will require an exceptional application... and frankly I don't think the opportunities most students have after graduation are good enough to warrant such stringent requirements of those Canadian schools for admissions to commerce programs. It's just that there are relatively few excellent universities in Canada so demand for good commerce education massively outstrips supply. More selective doesn't necessarily mean better; in this case it just means government-imposed limits on supply.</p>
<p>I get a kick out of how many people say they really want to major in a particular field of study and then provide a list of schools to which they plan to apply that consists primarily of schools that do not offer such a program to undergrads. While most of the schools you list offer exceptional MBA programs, few offer undergraduate programs specifically in business. </p>
<p>From your list, UPenn and Cornell offer ranked undergraduate business programs. You might want to consider some West Coast ranked business programs. I know UCI is starting a program, and Berkeley Haas and USC Marshall have good programs.</p>
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<p>Well, to be fair, if you were a Harvard undergrad who really wanted to take business classes, you could just simply cross-reg into classes at the MIT Sloan School. Harvard and MIT are literally only 2 subway stops away from each other, and the cross-reg agreement between the 2 schools is expansive enough that in many ways they can just be considered one large unified school.</p>
<p>2 subway stops is nice, but 200 yards is nicer still ;) No need to worry about transit time causing schedule conflicts</p>
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<p>Well, let me put it to you this way. I knew a guy at MIT who actually calculated that it actually took him LESS time for him to get from his MIT dorm room to Harvard than to get to some of his MIT engineering classes. I am quite sure I could find a reverse example at Harvard. That's because the subway is literally right next to the campuses of both schools.</p>
<p>One doesn't have to major in Business or attend a Business program to get into a top IBank upon graduation...or in order to get into an MBA program. One can pretty much major in any field and get into IBanking, provided one attends a respectable university. </p>
<p>Most top universities are heavily recruited by Investment Banks. The most highly recruited in my experience are:</p>
<p>Amherst College
Brown University
Colgate University
Columbia University
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Duke University
Georgetown University (both Arts and Science and Business)
Harvard University
Haverford College
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan as well as the general college)
Middlebury College
New York University (primarily Stern)
Northwestern University
Princeton University
Stanford University
Swarthmore College
University of California-Berkeley (primarily Haas)
University of Chicago
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor (CoE, LSA and Ross)
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
University of Texas-Austin (primarily McCombs)
University of Virginia (both the college of Arts and Science and McIntire)
Wesleyan University
Williams College
Yale University </p>
<p>Many other colleges are also high recruited. Like...</p>
<p>Boston College
Indiana University-Bloomington (especially Kelley)
Johns Hopkins University
Lehigh University
University of California-Los Angeles
University of North Carolina (particularly Kenan-Flagler)
University of Southern California
Vanderbilt University
Washington University-St Louis</p>
<p>I am sure I am missing many, but that's a pretty solid list to start with.</p>
<p>Depends on what kind of business/commerce job you want after graduation. For I-banking and managerial consulting, prestige is a HUGE factor so top colleges without business schools get recruited just as much as colleges with business schools. These prestigous firms teach their employees the finance and business skills needed to succeed.</p>
<p>If you want to work in accounting, marketing, supply chain management, etc. then consider colleges with undergraduate business schools over colleges without undergraduate business schools. The majority of businesses do not have the fundings like the large, prestigout firms so they can not waste resources in creating classes and career services for their newly-hires. These businesses expect the new employees to work right out of college.</p>
<p>If you want the best education in business, then Wharton without a doubt is the top choice, as it's basically a factory for ibanks and consulting firms. Harvard is on the same level at placing grads into ibanks, but their curriculum is less business orientated. Harvard kids learn less business stuff than Wharton kids, but overall they should be smarter.</p>
<p>However, if you want to work in London, then Oxbridge would serve you best. For the London BB firms, Oxbridge = Harvard and LSE is like Wharton --- all heavily recruited. But compared to the US counterparts, Oxbridge have much stronger intellectual atmosphere (from ancient buildings to formal dinners), and students are less career-orientated. Though resources like wireless internet/facilities like sports stadiums are perhaps less well provided at oxbridge, the education should be more personal because your academic work and well-being are both looked after very closely by your individual oxbridge college.</p>
<p>so all in all, HYPW or Oxbridge are all excellent choices for breaking into the business world...just depends what you prefer the us or uk culture</p>