<p>Quakerman - my mom is a single mother and could scrape together the tuition for NYU, but sees Berkeley as better because it is significantly cheaper. Do you think that going to CAS (econ major) or Stern is worth the extra money?</p>
<p>I graduated a few years ago from Stern and thought the professors, academics, prospects, and students were amazing and wouldn't have changed it for a thing. Financial considerations make it tough to say; very tough, but if for no financial issues, I'd say Stern without any hesitation (I'm not as sure on CAS-jwblue would know better, and it's great porgram).</p>
<p>I really appreciate your thoughtful input - now you are making it even tougher because you said such great things about NYU :)</p>
<p>quakerman its obvious to me that you have never done business nor talked to anyone who has done business in California or the west coast in general. Very few schools have the national reach where your degree will reach from coast to coast (exceptions: HYPM and Wharton come to mind right away). In California, everything is dominated by Stanford, Cal, UCLA, and to some extent USC grads. My dad, who does business in California, told me not to even apply to NYU because it was not worth that much for a degree that would not even bring me back to California.</p>
<p>Good luck, either way.</p>
<p>Quakerman, actually, I think it is the FT and BW that should be discredited more than is USNews. For example, BW ranks HBS #5. Honestly, does anybody seriously believe that HBS is only the 5th best B-school out there? Does anybody really believe that? Yet there it is in black and white in the BW rankings. HBS is #5. </p>
<p>Or take the FT rankings. FT ranks Kellogg #11 and MIT-Sloan #13. Come on, is that for real? What do you think? </p>
<p>Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that USNews is perfect. But I would say that USNews is more right than BW and FT are right. USNews has anomalies in its rankings, but they aren't as striking as the anomalies in FT or BW. </p>
<p>But fine, let's put that issue aside. The question still stands - if you expect NYU to get into the top 5 (whatever top 5 you are using), then who do you expect to knock out? According to BW, the top 5 are Kellogg, Chicago, Wharton, Stanford, and HBS. Which one do you expect NYU to knock out? According to FT, the top 5 are HBS, Wharton, Stanford, Columbia, and London Business School (or Chicago if you only want to talk about American schools). Again, which one do you expect NYU to knock out?</p>
<p>Actually a good percentage of Stern graduates work for JPM in SF every year. it's much tougher in LA because the industry is pretty small and I don't even know if there is any ibanking in LA</p>
<p>I don't know, quakerman. NYU-Stern is a fine institution, I'll be the first to admit, but I have to question how much of your statements come from truth and how much of them come from wishful thinking.</p>
<p>Last year I got into Stern with a "Stern Scholar" something or other (I'm having trouble remembering the exact name of the position). I visited the "campus" (if you can call it that) and peeked into classes. I also did the same for Wharton and Haas.</p>
<p>First of all, you point to SAT scores as an indicator of intelligence at Haas and Stern. I defy you to find anyone who actually believes "you'l be surrounded by more intelligent and dedicated individuals at Stern than at Haas" because "(Stern has average SAT over 1400 while Cal is at a 1300, significant difference)."</p>
<p>Secondly, location, continuing popularity, and finance rep are immaterial in this debate. Just because Wall Street happens to be near NYU doesn't mean any old schmuck can walk onto the trade floor and rake in cash. Continuing popularity is simply irrelevant since you're a unique person and what others think about the school is fairly inconclusive to your decision (at least, it should be). Ditto for reputation. I know it's a popular belief that execs are so lazy they pick their employees strictly on who their alma mater is, but it's a fallacy and you know it.</p>
<p>In terms of entry-level jobs, San Francisco isn't that much different from New York at all. There are plenty of fantastic places to work, and let's be frank: even if you do go to Stern, it's not a free ticket into the investment firm du jour. New York is a tough place...</p>
<p>I'm gathering from your moniker that you attend/intend to attend/graduated from Penn, probably Wharton. Good times. But that doesn't really give you the jurisdiction to say that "Stern is leaps and bounds ahead of Haas ug", and that finance is "the only real, theoretical business discipline." And judging from your previous posts on other threads, I'm having serious doubts about whether you actually have what it takes to make it through a rigorous institution like Wharton.</p>
<p>Now look what you're making me do. I'm inadvertantly flaming someone I don't even know, I'm bad-mouthing a university that was extremely kind to me (financially and otherwise), as well as the hometown and city I love. Oy.</p>
<p>See the rest of my posts. I stand by my statements and went through the job process, and what I said is accurate. In fact, I began my first IB job in Chicago as a Stern grad</p>
<p>no i still think CAL is better, its a much better deal anyway.....</p>