Is it possible for me to get into NC Central University, a historically black college if all my stats are higher than their extremes because I am white??
<p>....why would u want to go to an HBCU if ur white? just wondering</p>
<p>close to home.</p>
<p>good backup for UNC</p>
<p>Historically Black Colleges are not really that hard to get into no matter what race you are. The term "historically black" is exactly that, historical. There are some HBCUs that haven't had a black majority in many years and are in fact like over 90% white.</p>
<p>Actually NC Central offers a lot to NM/NA finalists. I was offered a full ride, stipend, laptop, etc. Plus you'd have URM status... :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Why would you apply to NC Central as a backup, Varience? Your stats are good enough to get into UNC. Why not NC State as a backup? Raleigh's not that much further away than Durham. By the way, NC Central's about 94% black, 2% white, and 4% other.</p>
<p>what is URM status?</p>
<p>under-represented minority, generally a "hook"</p>
<p>At most colleges it means black/Native American/hispanic, but at NC Central...</p>
<p>I am Russian..
is that an URM??</p>
<p>Why are native-americans URMs?? the only reason there are not many of them in colleges is because there are few of them in the USA..</p>
<p>mexicans + blacks are not minorities.. there are many of them around.. many of who are not influenced toward education from their communities.. so by giving them slack on admissions would increase their attitude..</p>
<p>native americans have a large proportion going to colleges by will..</p>
<p>It's not meant to be fair- most people agree that affirmative action isn't fair. Nonethess, most colleges promote it.</p>
<p>I have no idea if Russians count as URMs.</p>
<p>Variance,</p>
<pre><code> URM is different at each school. In general, blacks, hispanics, and american indians are UNDER-REPRESENTED at colleges, not in the general population. A standard that is often used is the national percentage of a particular race against the percentage of that race at a particular college. Asian Americans are underrepresented nationwide in the general population (4%?), but they are OVERrepresented at the University of California schools (from 35%-60%). There are liberal arts colleges in New England that still consider Asian Americans as URMs, while most of the major universities and West-Coast schools do not at all. At an HBCU, you should be considered a URM. Obviously there is an overrepresentation of one race (Blacks) over another, which is not reflective of the area (Whites). As for American-Indians, they may have a high rate of their people going to colleges, but they are still woefully represented at any institution. A good number for American-Indians is 1% of the student population, unfortunately, because there are so few of them and even less that apply to a certain university, American-Indians are almost universally considered URMs; "their spots" (that elusive 1%) are competitive only against other American-Indians, so many can get into a particular college with mediocre stats simply because of their status, URM. Hope that helped clarify some things (you seemed a bit lost),
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<p>TTG</p>
<p>"Why are native-americans URMs?? the only reason there are not many of them in colleges is because there are few of them in the USA.."</p>
<p>They are URMs because a far smaller proportion of them are college bound than they are represented in the US population. About 1% of the US population is Native American. Hard to believe, but the proportion of NAs in virtually all colleges' populations is far less than 1%. This even is true in most states and localities that have a higher proportion of NAs than exists in most parts of the country.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, even NAs are not shoo-ins for colleges. I know a NA with board scores of above 1400 who was rejected by one Ivy (though accepted by another).</p>
<p>About HBCUs: It is true that most (not all) accept a majority of applicants. Being white might actually mean that one would have a better chance of getting in than if one were black since whites are URMs on most HBCU campuses since at most HBCUs whites are in the minority.</p>
<p>For those who aren't aware, people of all races are welcome at HBCUs, and as is the case with black students can earn need-based and merit scholarships. You don't have to be black to attend or to fit in. Some HBCUs even have "minority" offices to offer support to white and other (nonblack) URMS .</p>
<p>HBCUs exist not because black people hated whites or wanted to self segregate. HBCUs exist because by laws and guidelines established by whites, blacks in many states and on many college campuses (including places like Princeton, which did not accept its first black student until 1945), black students could not attend colleges with white students nor could black faculty teach at mainstream colleges (or white faculty/students attend/teach at HBCUs). The situation at HBCUs was due to law, not campus guidelines.</p>
<p>After federally-mandated desegregation in 1965, HBCUS did not close down. I mention this because often posters somehow assume that once black students could go to mainstream campuses, HBCUs would automatically shut down as if no one cared about them any more.</p>
<p>Just as Brandeis remains even though colleges no longer have quotas against accepting Jewish students, just as Catholic universities and other religion-sponsored universities serve particular needs, HBCUs continue to exist because they continue to serve needs. This includes focusing on research and issues of particular interest to black students. It also includes providing a place where black students can attend college without having to worry in general whether they will not get certain opportunities due to their race.</p>
<p>Of course, nonblack students interested in black culture or advantages that particular HBCUs offer also benefit from attending HBCUs. This includes the benefit of attending a type of college well known for providing a nurturing, student-centered (as opposed to research-centered) environment.</p>
<p>Oberlin was the first college to admit black students back in 1835. I would be curious to know when various universities around the nation first admitted black students. Are there any that still don't admit black students?</p>
<p>I think that Bob Jones may have been the last college that refused to admit black students. Seems they changed that rule just a few years ago.</p>
<p>"*<em>In 1909, Woodrow Wilson, then the president of Princeton University, responded to a letter from a black man who wanted to apply for admission by writing, "I regret to say that it is altogether unsuitable for a colored man to come to Princeton."
*</em><em>And for a long time that, indeed, was the case.
*</em><em>"There was a notable failure of many colleges not to enroll significant numbers of blacks until World War II," said William G. Bowen, president of Princeton University from 1972 until 1988, in an interview for the video "Looking Back: Reflections of Black Princeton Alumni," which was prepared for Princeton University's 250th anniversary celebration in the 1996-97 school year.
*</em>*Blacks were actively discouraged from coming to Princeton until 1942, when The Daily Princetonian, the student newspaper, campaigned for minority enrollment. It was not until 1947 that the first black received a diploma from Princeton. " <a href="http://www.pacpubserver.com/new/news/3-27-00/blackstudies.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.pacpubserver.com/new/news/3-27-00/blackstudies.html</a></p>
<p>"Charlie L. Yates graduated in 1958, one of six honors graduates in mechanical engineering at Virginia Tech that year. The only African American in his class of 911 undergraduates, he was the first of his race to graduate from Virginia Tech. </p>
<p>In fact, nowhere in the former Confederacy did a black undergraduate spend four years at a historically white institution and earn a bachelor's degree before Yates did."<a href="http://www.vtmagazine.vt.edu/fall97/feature1.html">http://www.vtmagazine.vt.edu/fall97/feature1.html</a></p>
<p>U of Mississippi, 1962</p>
<p>Haverford's first black graduate, 1951</p>
<p>Bryn Mawr: late 1920s</p>
<p>Middlebury 1823 (according to Journal of Blacks in Higher Ed, where much of the figures I cite come from: <a href="http://www.jbhe.com/features/38_leading_colleges.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.jbhe.com/features/38_leading_colleges.html</a></p>
<p>Davidson voted to desegregate in 1961
Emory's first black student, 1962
Vanderbilt, 1953
Florida State 1962</p>
<p>Swarthmore: "Folklore has it that the first Black student was unknowingly admitted to Swarthmore sometime before 1913, as recollected in Charles Darling's Memoirs. A very fair skinned male was alerted that an error had been made pertaining to his admittance to the college, upon his arrival on the campus. </p>
<p>A similar incident occurred in 1932, as reported by Everett Lee Hunt in The Revolt of the College Intellectual. A Black student was denied admittance to Swarthmore, despite his excellent academic achievements, and was instead awarded a four year scholarship to Dartmouth College by Swarthmore; the Board of Managers felt the political timing of admitting a Black to the college was off, and this this young man would be more appropriately place at a man's college.</p>
<p>"Swarthmore finally passed a resolution in 1942, which changed the admissions policy opening admission to students regardless of race, color, or creed." <a href="http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/org/sass/history.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/org/sass/history.html</a> </p>
<p>MIT: The first black student to attend MIT appears to have been Robert Robinson Taylor, who enrolled in 1888. <a href="http://blackhistorypages.com/People/more2.html%5B/url%5D">http://blackhistorypages.com/People/more2.html</a></p>
<p>The first Black matriculants appeared at the college in 1943, </p>
<p>Harvard admitted its first black student in 1865
Yale, in 1870
Dartmouth 1828</p>
<p>Even when blacks were admitted relatively early, in many cases, they were not allowed to live on campus. This was true at places like Harvard as well as Syracuse, where my great uncle had to sleep in a basement where the furnance was when he attended there around 1915.</p>
<p>Some of the blacks who got into colleges at a relatively early date were "passing" for white.</p>
<p>That would be illegal.</p>
<p>There are some HBCU's that actually give special scholarships to attract white applicants; there are schools that work hard on increasing their racial diversity.</p>
<p>Even that I wouldn't put Howard on this list, Howard does give a full tuition scholarship to anyone with a 3.3 or 3.4 (can't remember which one) and an 1175 (they were about to move it to 1200; not sure if the new SAT will be an 1800). The scholarships begin to cover room and board and expenses when you get to the 1300, 1400, 1500 and 3.7. 3.8 level, on the old scale. This finaid is good for any race and any country (which explains why Howard is so more diverse than many HBCU's,especially in terms of International students.</p>
<p>Why go to an HBCU if your white? I guess you could say, why go to a predominantly white school if your black? Why study abroad? Cross-cultural experiences broaden each of our horizons.</p>
<p>All applicants should be treated equally and race should not be even on the application..</p>
<p>Your racial makeup impacts your experience, which in turn impact how you see the world. One's racial experiences, influence what they see in a text and what perspective they will contribute to the classroom, dorms, etc. The same can be said for a rural applicant, which is why non rural applicants are valued so much by city and suburban schools.</p>
<p>Geographic diversity is similar. Schools love to get a kid from Alaska, Hawaii, North Dakota, and every region where they lack representation. The same is true for International diversity.</p>
<p>When you are in an educational environment, you realize the power of diversity to create an intellectually stimulating and a broadening socially environment. You may want to read, "Shape of the River" by Bowen and Bok, former Presidents of Princeton and Harvard. The book makes as cogent a case for racial diversity and affirmative action as I've read anywhere.</p>
<p>I say go for it. I almost applied to Spelman for an engineering scholarship.</p>
<p>If you wanna go to NCCU go ahead! You shouldn't listen to half the comments on here anyway. I think it's time everyone should get a taste of a different culture now these days.</p>
<p>It doesn't matter where you went to college, all that matters is that DID YOU GET THE DEGREE?!</p>
<p>yes, you can definitely go there.</p>
<p>I have a white friend at a HBC/U.</p>
<p>Race is important in college... I've come into contact with a few people who are clearly very socially uneducated, and they don't even know it.</p>