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Sure, I was excited, but there are so many conflicting emotions that day and I'm glad only my parents came. I don't think I personally would have wanted throngs of people.

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<p>true---
so my best advice would be to allow your son/daughter to make the call, and respect that. He did, and we did. No regrets.</p>

<p>On that note-
every family needs to decide for themselves, what is right and wrong for them, to go or not to go, etc.</p>

<p>A few months back, I posted something on another thread- at the time, a lot of discussion whether or not to attend I-Day, Herndon, Sea Trials, etc.... and 5 pages worth of differing opinions. I reflected back on one particular story that moved me then, and continues to direct my course now. While I will not repost it here, you can follow the link below if you are inclined to do so. But before you cement your opinion, I would recommend thinking about it from a different point of view. </p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/naval-academy-annapolis/444032-new-news-4.html?highlight=winchester%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/naval-academy-annapolis/444032-new-news-4.html?highlight=winchester&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>navy2010: Do what is right for YOUR family, and let no one deter you from your course. Isn't that what we teach our kids????</p>

<p>Now they are being taught to do what is right for the people under them. Their personal desires are now secondary. Leadership 101</p>

<p>I didn't comment before on the saving of seats, but I will now. I abhor the practice. I hate it when, at a pool, people "save" lawnchairs. I hate on a cruise when people put towels on deckchairs at 0700 and don't show up until hours later. I hate it when, at any event, one person lays claim to several seats.</p>

<p>I have no problem with someone showing up early to get his/her seat povided that person stays in that seat until the event. Have no problem with someone "saving" a seat while a friend/family member uses the restroom. However, I think it is absolutely terrible for one or two people to hoard a large number of seats, preventing others from taking them, while other members of their group are off having a good time. </p>

<p>Think about the single parent on I-Day. Or the family who can only afford to send one person with the plebe. How does he/she attend the events and also get a good seat? Maybe some would say, "tough luck," but one thing you learn at USNA is to think of your shipmate before yourself. </p>

<p>The fact that "others are doing it" is never an excuse. I accept your "right" to save seats, accept that you are non-apologetic. But the practice -- no matter who does it or where -- irks me to no end.</p>

<p>As for who attends I-Day, as stated, it should be the plebe's choice. But for you parents out there, be sure whatever happens really is his/her choice. Saying, "you wouldn't mind if all your relatives come to see you off, would you?" is very different than, "who, if anyone, would you like to come with you on I-Day?" Some plebes may be uplifted by having a support group; others may be terrified.</p>

<p>Finally, one point to ponder. Typically, a handful of plebes quit on I-Day. Everyone thinks it won't be his/her child but these kids are someone's child. Consider whether those you invite would be understanding if it is your child who wants to go home the same day he/she arrives.</p>

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<p>And why the early worm gets eaten.</p>

<p>Navy2010 - please consider this point of view - I wonder how Lt Winchester's familiy or any family for that matter of a fallen soldier would feel if they had been prevented from seeing him take the oath of office because his classmate's family of 26 forced them to the back.</p>

<p>What it looks like - is that you "parked" two elderly grandmother's to save seats (gotta agree with USNA1985 here) while you and your husband got to enjoy all the events of I-Day. Great planning on your part but how are the parents who are going it alone supposed to plan? Should they park themselves for hours before hand so they can see and miss the rest of the day's events.</p>

<p>It's much different for large groups of people to reserve seats, when you can have one person reserve 26 seats while the rest go out and enjoy the other I-Day activities. What about those of us only bringing our parents? Are they forced to sit in two front row seats all day long?

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You say that like it's no big deal, but in reality you weren't the one sitting on the chair all day long. You got to go around and enjoy the other I-Day activities while someone else seized this "opportunity" for you.
What kind of attitude is that for your son's first day at USNA??? "Do what is right for YOUR family..." no matter what it means for other families? That's possibly one of the most inconsiderate things I've ever heard. I realize it's a special day for you and your family, but you're not the ONLY family for whom this day is special.</p>

<p>Re: my post above....that was suppose to be in reference to graduation.</p>

<p>I agree wholeheartedly with USNA1985 and grad/dad about reserving seats. For graduation....take as many as you want....they have never ran out of room.</p>

<p>Saving seats sucks. I agree. It should be limited to about 5-10 minutes MAX.</p>

<p>That said...the EVENT can and should DO something to prevent this practice. Don't allow access to seats until the event is about to start or say within 30 minutes to give people time to take seats and get situated. </p>

<p>I was at a resort recently and there was a sign posted that said NO saving deck chairs...personal items will be removed after 30 minutes if unattended. They had pool personnel patrolling but they NEVER did a damn thing to remove the personal items. Had they done this, the message would have been loud and clear.</p>

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<p>Unbelievable, but somehow I am not surprised.</p>

<p>Someone help me with this math problem here and tell me if my assumptions are correct. I am looking at a scaled map of the Yard and it is approximately 200' from the inside corner of Wing 1 to Wing 2. The photograph that I am looking at is about 4 years old but it appears that the bleachers are about 8 tiers deep. There are no bleachers on Stribling. Therefore, the total width of the bleachers is approximately 160'. At 22" per person, this equates to approximately 90 seats per row. This allows for a total of 720 family members in the bleachers. Maybe another couple of hundred standing on Stribling. Now if only half the 1200 candidates show up with a couple of parents and a little sister, over 800 of them will not be able to see the swearing in. And 2010 sees absolutely nothing wrong with hogging 26 front row seats.</p>

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keeping vigil with the gf outside alumni hall to catch a glimpse.... others sitting outside bancroft hall for the same....(everyone texting everyone for any and all sightings!)

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<p>Our kiddo would have been mortified had this 'stalking' gone on. But, to each his/her own. For me and my little one, we found the air conditioned hotel a welcome relief until the presentations in Alumni. :)</p>

<p>USNA1985, grad/dad and USNA69, hersheybear I'm with ya!!</p>

<p>Typically, a handful of plebes quit on I-Day.</p>

<p>My s was on the wait list until we got the thin letter yesterday. It said fewer candidates declined than anticipated. So - should we be there on I-day to take the place of someone who quits?</p>

<p>Hmmm...</p>

<p>well, not sure what to say.</p>

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What it looks like - is that you "parked" two elderly grandmother's to save seats (gotta agree with USNA1985 here) while you and your husband got to enjoy all the events of I-Day.

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hardly the case at all.</p>

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You say that like it's no big deal, but in reality you weren't the one sitting on the chair all day long.

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<p>not the reality either.</p>

<p>Actually, one grandmother decided to "sit" at 4:30 when the tour she (and a few others) were on ended in front of Bancroft. We neither asked, suggested, nor expected her to save us seats, or anything of the sort. </p>

<p>The plan all along was for all to meet in T-court at 5pm, which we did. I even packed a small satchel with refreshments to enjoy while we all waited. Nana happened to beat the rest of us to it, by about 30 minutes give or take. She tried to get a seat in the shade- they were all taken- so she opted for a seat in the front row, which, along with all the other "sunny seats," were empty. And truth be told, she was not alone- there were 2 other cousins that opted for that tour, and they were sitting right along with her in T-court until the rest of us arrived - in relatively short order. We all arrived by 5pm, for an event posted to start at 6:30pm, and there were empty seats all around us. There were people there for the event, sure enough- but they were all fighting for the shade.</p>

<p>So as much as you would berate me for parking the dear old lady in the sun while the rest of us did as we pleased, if that is the impression that was given, chaulk it up to literary license, as it was certainly not the reality.</p>

<p>What I will add, however, is that on that day- as hot and humid as it was- seats in the sun were plentiful.... heck, with the exception of our family and a few other brave souls, they were deserted! On the other hand, the bleachers- which on that day offered some seats in the shade, were just about filled to capacity by 5pm! We tried to get seats up there, but nothing doing- and there was plenty of seat-saving going on, rest assured! </p>

<p>Anyway, my advice remains.
If you want to sit up close to the plebes, expect to sit in the sun, on the hot bricks, and get there early. Pack an umbrella- it will help. 5pm seemed to be a good time for the "sunny seats".... and there were still plenty to have for at least an hour after that.</p>

<p>If, on the other hand, you want seats in the shade, can't tell you how early to arrive for those- the bleachers were well-filled by the time our group got there at 5.</p>

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Do what is right for YOUR family..." no matter what it means for other families? That's possibly one of the most inconsiderate things I've ever heard. I realize it's a special day for you and your family, but you're not the ONLY family for whom this day is special.

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<p>taken well out of the context in which it was meant.</p>

<p>The message was to approach I-Day based on what works for your family.... as in: go/don't go, with/without the family, etc.....
what I was trying to point out is that there is "no one formula," no "right" or "wrong" way to approach the day. Some families will celebrate, some will not see the necessity. Some new plebes will want others there, some will want to go it alone, and some won't care either way. What I suggested is to do what works for your family---- and not necessarily based on the advice given by anyone else here on cc, mine included. Anything beyond that is an over-read.</p>

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Navy2010 - please consider this point of view - I wonder how Lt Winchester's familiy or any family for that matter of a fallen soldier would feel if they had been prevented from seeing him take the oath of office because his classmate's family of 26 forced them to the back.

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<p>We never know what will befall us, and who will be affected, and when. If only we could know in advance who's turn it is, we would do a lot of things differently. And while your analogy lacks logic (we cannot know on I-Day who will be a fallen hero 6 years later), perhaps it speaks more to the importance that some families place on I-Day, where others might consider it less than a notable event. </p>

<p>I have been blessed with a large family, and a close one to boot. We are fortunate to get together for many family events- notable ones and otherwise. We got the green light to have the family attend, which is what we did. It worked for our family, it may not work for others. Some things I would have done differently with the benefit of hindsight, some things I would do the same if given the opportunity.</p>

<p>take it for what it is, nothing more, nothing less.</p>

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Saving seats sucks. I agree. It should be limited to about 5-10 minutes MAX.

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yes, if the event is filled and if seats are in short supply.
At 5pm, neither was the case.
But one picture is worth a thousand words- and I have one of our little party, huddled under umbrellas, sharing a few snacks and some cold drinks- in a very, very empty T-court!</p>

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Someone help me with this math problem here and tell me if my assumptions are correct. I am looking at a scaled map of the Yard and it is approximately 200' from the inside corner of Wing 1 to Wing 2. The photograph that I am looking at is about 4 years old but it appears that the bleachers are about 8 tiers deep. There are no bleachers on Stribling. Therefore, the total width of the bleachers is approximately 160'. At 22" per person, this equates to approximately 90 seats per row. This allows for a total of 720 family members in the bleachers

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<p>I can only speak to I-Day for 2010.
Several sets of bleachers were set to each side of the entrance to T-Court (2 or 3 on each side if I recall). There were seats for family members and guests to sit inside T-court itself, that ran the entire width of the court, with goodness knows how many rows deep.
Seating was also arranged up and down the sloped paths to Bancroft, some reserved, some not.</p>

<p>The first seats to be taken were in the bleachers, and then on the ramps. Next were the kids that opted to climb the torpedo's, Techumsh himself, and the other fixed monuments at the entrance to T-court. Last were the seats in the sun- those inside T-court itself. </p>

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Our kiddo would have been mortified had this 'stalking' gone on.

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<p>so would ours, had he known.

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But, to each his/her own. For me and my little one, we found the air conditioned hotel a welcome relief until the presentations in Alumni.

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<p>Congrats!!! Obviously you found something that worked for you!</p>

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My s was on the wait list until we got the thin letter yesterday. It said fewer candidates declined than anticipated. So - should we be there on I-day to take the place of someone who quits?

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<p>Sorry for the thin letter.
Not sure any replacements get made on I-Day.
And sadly, some will go home.</p>

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navy2010: Do what is right for YOUR family, and let no one deter you from your course. Isn't that what we teach our kids????</p>

<p>Now they are being taught to do what is right for the people under them. Their personal desires are now secondary. Leadership 101

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<p>Yes, they are. And I have learned that his "family" now starts with the letters "USNA." Military Parenting 202.</p>

<p>WOW! I am glad I have never served with some of the people on this thread. It is not always about you and your family, it is about the mission and the unit</p>

<p>Something else the USNA teaches........teamwork.</p>

<p>Just a thought. :)</p>

<p>I've been thinking about the pressures of I-day and this topic, while everyone will certainly say each to his own, I've thought about it a lot. Because (fingers crossed) I hope we are doing this a year from now. I see I-day as an intensely private affair between parents, the plebe and direct siblings. My son would not want an extended family there at all. Nor do I.</p>

<p>The plebe is never safe from what I have read. They could be coming home a lot faster than you think and stay home. The pressure on these kids is amazing. If 20 to thirty relatives are there on I -day and he/she does not make it, the plebe will feel awful and believe they have let down all those people. Thats a lot of pressure.</p>

<p>On the other hand on graduation day I can see all of them being there and I would welcome them (I guess I would not save a seat).</p>

<p>Regards</p>

<p>That is exactly what we thought too. Private for soon to be Plebe, mom and dad. No one else was invited and we let them also know they were not welcome. The pressure is tremendous for all. I also believe as much as many want to do I day on their own, if immediate family can be there it really is for the best. One never knows how IDay will turnout. These kids do need family support.</p>

<p>Okay, really i think that is enough on the seat thing... personaly, i think it could be taken both ways-good & bad- it just depends on wich way you look at it...i really dont think it matters now, that is the past.
it is up to you on what you would like to do with your own family--now i have a REALLY long time untill i am even allowed to even apply to the academy, but i have a real big family too here is what i would say-just from my point of view- (to other than my imediate family) "it is up to you if you want to come (we live in missouri so it is a long way) but please dont plan anything too extreme."</p>

<p>Hmmmm. . . .this is almost exactly the situation I was addressing about amonth ago when I said somthing to the effect of sitting in the front row to get that picture. [and getting lambasted for it]. What I did not mention is that the people who were "staring" at me were those who were saving seats; "saves" that I chose to ignore since it was about two minutes before the Plebes started marching in and I figured that anybody for whom the seats were saved should have already been in place.</p>

<p>Since then, I have chosen to be more agressive about ignoring "saves," especially if it involves large numbers of seats being saved by two or three people.<br>
I had a lady get out of line the other day and she says: "I'll be right back" The mid and I laughed w/ each other: "Okay" while we looked puzzled to each other. We sort of laughed to each other "I'll be right up at the cashier, when you get back." She must hav eoverheard us and said: " I was just trying to be considerate." And we asked: "To whom?"
"Considerate would have been letting us go ahead of you while you went to get whatever it was that you forgot. Where you being considerate to yourself?" I guess you had to be there to appreciate the silliness of it all, but it made us laugh.</p>

<p>So, I agree, large "saves" are out of line. We will get to graduation early and do the requisite scouting for the "perfect" seat; but if I enocounter a row of "saves" by just a couple of people in the "perfect" place, I intend to sit down anyway.</p>

<p>What are they gonna do? Call the police to evict me? If seats are not reserved, then I don't think anybody has a "right" to save.</p>

<p>But, it's a good story anyway.</p>

<p>haha, that really was a good story! are you currently going to the academy now?</p>