<p>A state-team soccer player I know, bright, but not Ivy bright. Hey, somebody's gotta get B's, right?</p>
<p>out of curiosity, how many of mit's ~1500 applicants do you think are also admitted to harvard?</p>
<p>thanks in advance!</p>
<p>i definitely meant mit's ~1500 admits. whoops.</p>
<p>A rich spolied brat whos daddy donates millions to Harvard and is a grad- like me. I got in with a 1230 on my SATs.</p>
<p>hahaha that's what life's all about</p>
<p>Ain't that the truth. I'm going to get boxed out of Princeton -- a set of twins from my high school got in there ED because of Daddy.</p>
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<p>how many of mit's ~1500 applicants do you think are also admitted to harvard?</p>
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<p>It can't be all that many...IIRC, Harvard takes a little over half of H/MIT cross-admits. The slightly less than half who choose MIT add up to less than a hundred students (I don't have the exact figure). So the total number of cross-admits can't be higher than 200.</p>
<p>Random Question:</p>
<p>Has a National Merit Finalist ever been rejected from Harvard?</p>
<p>vtoodler - YES. MANY are rejected every year.. They don't give a crap if you are National Merit Finalist. Hell, most are rejected every year.</p>
<p>Actually, Hanna, Harvard's common admit edge over MIT jumped a bit for the Class of 2008. Post your e-mail, and I'll send you the HYPM numbers I've seen.</p>
<p>I still can't believe that they don't care about an applicant being a National Merit Finalist. Do you know how prestigious National Merit is? However, I don't think that Harvard has ever rejected a Presidential Scholar Semi-Finalist.</p>
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<p>It's not so prestigious to Harvard, because National Merit finalists are very numerous in Harvard's applicant pool. Yeah, the University of Tulsa will offer a "full scholarship" to every NMF student it can lays its hands on, but Harvard can afford to be selective among the students who have that distinction.</p>
<p>Quote: "However, I don't think that Harvard has ever rejected a Presidential Scholar Semi-Finalist."</p>
<p>But the semi-finalists were only announced recently and the rejections came out on March 31. I don't believe Harvard would go back to the newly-announced semi-finalists that it has rejected and say, "Ok, now we'll accept you."</p>
<p>Besides, Presidential Scholar semi-finalist isn't THAT prestigious... there are > 500 of them in the U.S.</p>
<p>There are about 15,000 NM Finalists per year. A lot of those apply to Harvard. Harvard can admit only about 2,000 students. There are other awards that are way more prestigious than NM Finalists, such as IMO gold medalists, Intel Science awards, etc...</p>
<p>Yes, Marite's point is correct that the sheer numbers involved mean that National Merit Scholarship finalist status at best sets a baseline, with the question still being what else an applicant brings to the table. There are only a few dozen IMO gold medalists each year (yes, Harvard admits not only from the United States, but from other countries, so most of the IMO gold medalists could be in the applicant pool) and not so many Intel Science Talent Search finalists, and so forth, so the awards with SCARCITY behind them get more weight in Harvard's applicant pool. Even at that, Harvard's desire for a varied first-year class means that not necessarily all of the top math and science students will be admitted, because there has to be room in the class for actors, comedy writers, civil rights activists, Latin scholars, musicians, athletes, and plenty of other top performers. Getting a high score on the SAT and good grades in high school is a wonderful thing, but that alone is not enough to stand out in Harvard's applicant pool.</p>
<p>Yeah, you guys are probably right. I'm just a little shocked to hear this because most colleges and high schools tout their National Merit Finalists.</p>
<p>Vtoodler:</p>
<p>LOL! Think how many high schools or colleges can tout their IMO gold medalists or Intel finalists! The fact that so many can tout their NM Finalists is a clue as to the relative non-scarcity of the status.</p>
<p>I am not in fact sure how much weight is given to the NM Finalist designation at highly selective schools since the PSAT is predictive of SAT scores. Someone who scored very high on the SAT probably scored high on the PSAT as well.</p>
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<p>I know someone who's a National Merit SCHOLAR and Presidential Scholar Semi-finalist who was rejected...not even waitlisted, but outright rejected.</p>
<p>Bad essay? Bad recs? Bad interview?</p>