<p>much better : p</p>
<p>Oh forgetful Byerly! My friend, you forgot that along with a better women's golf program, Princeton also has a better physics and mathematics department as well! </p>
<p>That is not to say, however, that Harvard's aren't quite outstanding as well.</p>
<p>Ummm ... not according to USNews.</p>
<p>H & P tied for #2 in Math, and tied for #3 in Physics.</p>
<p>reputation-wise my friend. </p>
<p>And thank you for the Princeton fight song on the Princeton board. I have to say that it kinda touched me and gave me hope. Maybe you are kinda nice when you want to be? You should be nicer more often.</p>
<p>byerly, i'm not "wrong" on the NAS numbers. the numbers come directly from the academy's current directory, to which i provided a link. i really can't imagine why you'd prefer YOUR numbers, from a two-year old spreadsheet.</p>
<p>He's never really mean, everyone just gets really touchy on the subjects he talks about...</p>
<p>... including fscottie!</p>
<p>i like reading byerly's posts. haha. they make me laugh.</p>
<p>the National Academies includes the NAS, the national academy of engineering (which I am sure Princeton is well represented) and the Insitute of Medicine. An academy member is a member in either one of the three. That is the total Byerly was referring to.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalacademies.org/%5B/url%5D">http://www.nationalacademies.org/</a></p>
<p>I think the Byerly's Florida website contains the accurate information of 2003 national academies. And the following websites contain the information of today's national academies.
<a href="http://www.iom.edu/directory.asp%5B/url%5D">http://www.iom.edu/directory.asp</a> for IOM information,
<a href="http://www.nasonline.org/site/Dir?s...w=basic&pg=srch%5B/url%5D">http://www.nasonline.org/site/Dir?s...w=basic&pg=srch</a> for NAS information,
and <a href="http://www.nae.edu/%5B/url%5D">http://www.nae.edu/</a> for NAE information.</p>
<p>If you compare today with year 2003. You'll see some interesting trend:</p>
<p>Harvard's national academy number rises from year 2003's 264 to today's 271, up by 7.</p>
<p>Stanford rises from 249 to 260, up by 11.</p>
<p>MIT rises from 234 to 236, up by 2.</p>
<p>Berkeley rises from 201 to 208, up by 7.</p>
<p>Princeton rises from 86 to 97, up by 11.</p>
<p>Caltech rises from 95 to 100, up by 5.</p>
<p>Yale drops from 104 to 100, down by 4.</p>
<p>So in the last 2 years, Stanford and Princeton have gained most.</p>
<p>Only 11 away. </p>
<p>It's a couple of years, Byerly, before we pass you in this statistic too.</p>
<p>why don't you adjust for science faculty and you'll see that stanford has probably surpassed harvard proportionally at least - the downside in a way (if there is one) of harvard's affiliation with the faculties of four independent hospitals in boston (in the case of the IOM at the least)</p>
<p>This idiotic statement betrays the fragile ego-involvement Harvardites have with their school: "Yale only has a Law and Politics program that could be compared to any prestigious university, let alone Harvard. "</p>
<p>Yale bests Harvard in most of the humanities, including such departments as English, History, French, and others. And all of the Arts.</p>
<p>Yale is the only top-tier US university with FOUR professional schools in the arts: Fine Arts, Architecture, Music, and Drama. The presence of people like Paul Hindemith, Frank Gehry, Luis Kahn, Frances McDormand, Chuck Close, and Meryl Streep on campus (as lecturers and students) makes a huge impact on student life. The active, student cultural scene at Yale is tremendous. Moreover, the Yale campus is brought up in any architectural survey course for buildings by Saarinen, Kahn, Rudolf, Venturi, etc.</p>
<p>For most of this century Yale has had a much better teacher/student ratio in the undergraduate college (and overall), better than Dartmouth, in fact, which always brags about that. Graduate students do not substitute for profs. there.</p>
<p>Yales Law School has been rated #1 for about 10 years now.</p>
<p>Besides a gorgeous physical environment, the university (being in a mid-sized city) boasts a vibrant student life (from films to singing groups); people don't just wander off campus to the city (as at Harvard) without some sense of belonging and being bonded to their collegiate experience. When people do want to get away, they can go to NYC, whose vibrancy cannot be matched.</p>
<p>A Yalie has been in the White House now for 20 years (in this case, I'm not sure it's something to brag about). So Yale clearly produces a sense of leadership.</p>
<p>Yale is more academic than Harvard, requiring more courses, and better writing. Harvard about 2 years ago was handing out Cum Laudes (or greater) to 93% of the student body. The Dean at Yale College just laughed at the absurdity of it. They stopped when it became a national joke.</p>
<p>Until a year or two ago, the percentage of Yalies in the top 10% of their class was significantly higher than Harvard (though that gap may have closed). It appears Harvard is more interested in the children of prominent families than academics on its own merits, people like Benazir Bhutto (and other such luminaries).</p>
<p>I've always felt that Harvard was about power and money, whereas Yale was about idealism. Benedict Arnold to Nathan Hale sums it all up.</p>
<p>Most people who go to Harvard (which admittedly has the slightly bigger name recognition) do so cause that's what their immigrant parents have heard about, or they haven't investigated the schools beyond the facade. I actually planned to go to Harvard until I visited and found the campus so incredibly ugly, and the students so bound up in propping up their egos by clinging desperately to the notion of 'Harvard'. I have a few friends who, 20 years after the fact, can't hold a conversation without bringing up Harvard each time -- it's rather pathetic that their self-esteem is so wounded they need this crutch every day of their lives. I mention Yale about once a year, by contrast. I know a Prof who just gave an interview to an Institute's newsletter at another school (he's about 18 years out of Harvard), and the entire article is he recounts his 'experience' at Harvard. I guess his 18 years in the professoriate mean next to nothing.</p>
<p>For a taste of life at Harvard, read Almost Heaven (I think the title, and the fact the the author and her whole family are bound up in Harvard, should clue you in to the incestuous sickness of the place).</p>
<p>Sounds as if you, like Bulldog and many other Yalies, have Harvard on the brain!</p>
<p>was there an article on harvard in the latest usnews rank issue? does anyone have a link or is it purchase only? Don't forget Byerly, I also have Harvard on the wall.</p>
<p>anyone know the ranking for public policy/affairs and econ?</p>
<p>The following address sums up pretty well the character and goals of Yale as an institution.</p>
<p>Greatlakes,</p>
<p>Unfortunately the perception of what schools are important is fed by the media. I will use a few of the recent presidential candidates to illustrate my point.</p>
<p>Bill Clinton - Always called a Yalie though he attended Georgetown as an undergrad. He attended Yale Law School.</p>
<p>John Kerry - Always called a Yalie though he attended Boston College law school. He attended Yale as an undergrad.</p>
<p>Which is the one the gets reported as the school that someone attended, the undergraduate school or their law/graduate school? It is always the one with the highest name recognition or perhaps public reputation. Is it right, perhaps not, but I would not let it impact your idealism or your ability to look behing the facade for what may truly matter.</p>
<p>Now with George W. Bush, is he a Yalie or a Harvard alum? It seems that his Yale ties get reported a bit more, perhaps because of his father. However, if what I say above is right then perhaps Yale has the better public reputation. ;-)</p>
<p>To Byerly, we all know that you have Harvard on the brain.</p>
<p>But than that startling 84.3% stat is hard to ignore, or rationalize away, even by Yale propagandists such as Bulldog.</p>
<p>stop living in the past, byerly, and use the new cross-admit no.</p>