Who said the Pac-10 is a weak conference?

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<p>Usually a bye means you have more time to study film and be prepared, I don't understand how you say you hope to catch them napping. You said that for us, too, lol and look what happened. </p>

<p>Btw, vc08, I don't really care any more but just for the sake of argument, if you thought I was talking about the ucla-cal game why did you include in that sentence the comment about your redshirt freshman? He didn't play in the ucla-cal game therefore it was quite obvious you seemed to be talking about both of our last games in which case you shouldn't have been confused.</p>

<p>And btw, I'm not trying to troll here or anything, just for the record, it's just that our forum is kind of slow on the sports talk so I like it here. Unfortunately our board members like talking in gibberish(literally, it's almost a movement there) and their topics range from vivid descriptions of the ladies taking their ****s to other revolting stuff. Don't ask..</p>

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<p>i understand mega, but since the topic was the cal-ucla game, i thought you were complaining about cowan's play. i was saying that the week before we had a redshirt frosh in, and this week longshore was still hurt. i don't want to argue with you anymore, so enough of the "for the sake of argument" stuff, ok? just agree to disagree and get over it.</p>

<p>UCB: cal seems to play better when they're the underdog this year, so let's hope that can carry over.</p>

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<p>megathunder, well, Cal came out of their bye week sluggish. I know what a bye is. Sometimes it can be a momentum killer.</p>

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And btw, I'm not trying to troll here or anything, just for the record, it's just that our forum is kind of slow on the sports talk so I like it here.

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<p>Oh, I've seen the threads on the UCLA board...."Where do I find a Halloween costume?", "The girls here are HAWT!"...LOL</p>

<p>No complaints for posting. It's good to have some other opinions.</p>

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<p>Do you guys want me to stop trolling about how great Oregon is, or should I be quite while I'm ahead.</p>

<p>3 of their top offensive players done for the season and look at where they're at.....</p>

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<p>^ What's your feeling on the upcoming 'SC game?</p>

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<p>Personally, I think SC is gonna take it to 'em. I'm just waiting for Dixon's famous mid-season flop.</p>

<p>And Sheed, ASU is ahead of you right now in the polls lol. AND you lost to Cal, so technically we have bragging rights. ;D</p>

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<p>wait so if what phroz3 said comes out to be true and USC, Oregon, UCLA, and ASU, Cal all become 2-loss teams(rather unlikey, I will admit), how come Cal will be going to Pasadena? What determines who goes if all of them are 2-loss teams?</p>

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<p>Elmo, I THINK (not sure, but pretty sure), that this is how it would work:</p>

<p>Cal would go ahead of OR, SC, and ASU by virtue of head-to-head competition
(bc the only way cal will only have 2 losses is if they win out).</p>

<p>UCLA needs to get 3 losses in order for Cal to go; bc otherwise, UCLA goes by virtue of h-to-h competition over Cal.
-personally, I think UCLA has a great chance at losing three more times, they play Oregon, SC at SC, and ASU. I think they need to become much more consistent if they want to reach the RB, as does Cal.</p>

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<p>The game reminded me a lot of the Cal vs Oregon game. I personally thought Oregon lost the game by turnovers, and Cal took advantage of it for the win. I'm not trying to take anything away from Cal when I say that because they played a hell of a game, and were able to pull out with the win since they played great. Well, this time it seemed as if they were Oregon, and UCLA was Cal. Cal should have won, but turnovers lost it. UCLA played great football, and were able to pull out the win.</p>

<p>And this is coming from a UCLA student.</p>

<p>UCLA thread page is boring right now!!!</p>

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<p>'SC has only played one pretty good team in a tough environment - Nebraska. But, Nebraska isn't as good as initially thought. Oregon will be USC's toughest competition so far in a super noisy environment. </p>

<p>The game could go either way...both teams are coming off pretty big wins against mediocre/poor teams. I give the edge to Oregon due to Autzen. It will be a fun game to watch.</p>

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<p>Yup, i think oregon will win. n i love how the ucla students on this thread use the same excuse about why they're here! jk, i don't really care :)</p>

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<p>It's true, the posters at the UCLA board are wack(sans a few). We need more sports-talking guys and less dramatic, emotional, hot-and-bothered wacko girls.</p>

<p>Meh..</p>

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<p>ha, lol at mega.</p>

<p>anyone else have to be evacuated bc of the fires?</p>

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<p>^ No, I live in the middle of the gawd forsaken San Pornando Valley.</p>

<p>San Diego is hurting. I have family down there, but haven't heard if they are currently threatened...they live in the hills south of Qualcomm. </p>

<p>One way my company said we can help is to donate blood. Due to the fires, the Red Cross has had to cancel blood drives and they're short blood.</p>

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<p>UCB: your family should be fine, since Qualcomm is the main evac. center. i get to spend the night at one, lucky me.</p>

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<p>The sky around LA is stark red/brown. Can't even see the horizon, pretty scary. The closest fire is about 10 miles from UCLA..</p>

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<p>Who do you guys think is the best Cal football player in the last 10 years?</p>

<p>My vote: Geoff MacArthur</p>

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<p>
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Elmo, I THINK (not sure, but pretty sure), that this is how it would work:</p>

<p>Cal would go ahead of OR, SC, and ASU by virtue of head-to-head competition
(bc the only way cal will only have 2 losses is if they win out).</p>

<p>UCLA needs to get 3 losses in order for Cal to go; bc otherwise, UCLA goes by virtue of h-to-h competition over Cal.
-personally, I think UCLA has a great chance at losing three more times, they play Oregon, SC at SC, and ASU. I think they need to become much more consistent if they want to reach the RB, as does Cal.

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<p>I think (not sure) that another possibility is that you end up with a X-way tie for first-place, where X>2, and where the teams have beaten each other on a round-robin fashion. For example, let's say that Cal, UCLA, and Oregon all end up in first place with 2 losses, with Cal having beaten Oregon, UCLA beaten Cal, and Oregon beating UCLA. Then, I believe that because there is no clear 'head-to-head' winner (as each team has beaten one of the teams it has tied, but lost to the other), you would have to dive deeper into the tie-break mechanism and Cal may indeed prevail.</p>

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<p>I found information on the tiebreaking procedures for the Pac-10 champion and who gets to go to the rose bowl in the event of ties.</p>

<p>Rose Bowl Selection Procedures </p>

<p>If a Conference team is ranked No. 1 or No. 2 in the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) ranking system it shall participate in the National Championship Game designated by the BCS. If that is not the case, the following procedures will determine the Pacific-10 Rose Bowl Representative. The Pacific-10 Rose Bowl representative shall be that member's team with the best won-lost percentage record in Conference games. If, however, the records in Conference games of two or more members are identical, determination of the Rose Bowl representative shall be as follows: </p>

<p>a. Two-Team Tie.
The winner of the game between the two teams shall be the representative. </p>

<p>b. Multiple-Team Ties.
(1) When three or more teams are tied in Conference play, if one has defeated all others, it shall be the Rose Bowl representative. If that is not the case, a comparison of the tied teams' records against the other tied teams shall be made and the team having the best record against the other tied teams shall be the Rose Bowl representative. If two or more teams are still tied after this comparison, the appropriate two-team or multiple-team tie-breaking procedures shall be repeated among those teams still under consideration. </p>

<p>(2) If more than two teams are still tied after the process above is completed, each remaining tied team's record against the team occupying the highest position in the final regular season standings shall be compared, with the procedure continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. </p>

<p>When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing </p>

<p>So basically this is how it shakes down. Say Cal wins out and has two losses along with 3 other teams let's say Oregon, UCLA, and USC. The first tiebreaker would be if a team beat all the other teams. This would not be the case obviously since Cal already lost to UCLA and we are assuming they win the rest of their remaining games. The next tiebreaker then is the combined head 2 head record of the teams that are tied for example Cal would be (3-1), USC would be either (3-1) or (2-2), (assuming they beat UCLA for sure), Oregon would be either (3-1) or (2-2), and UCLA would be (2-2). This would mean that there would have to be another tiebreaker that would take the two teams that were 3-1. It would go to head 2 head and since we already beat Oregon then we hold that tiebreaker and since we are assuming we beat USC for the hypothetical situation to work we go to the Rose Bowl!</p>

<p>So to sum it up, Cal needs to win the rest of their games first and foremost. One more loss and they are almost assuredly out. 2) I'd prefer Oregon to lose to USC this weekend since I think it's their hardest opponent, and we still play USC so we can take care of them and get the tiebreaker. 3) Need USC and Oregon to lay the hammer down on UCLA 4) Need 1 either USC or Oregon to beat ASU</p>

<p>Now it's a lot that needs to happen but I could definitely see it occurring. Isn't this what sports is all about dreaming right?</p>