<p>i just wanted to know who will get a better job after graduation between an ivy engineer and an engineer from an engineering college like UT Austin,UIUC,</p>
<p>Well that means different things to different people. Personally I'd want the Ivy degree and then i'd try to go into banking of some kind. If you want to work as a real engineer then the other guy prob. would. </p>
<p>Of course you cannot lump all ivy's together.... a engi degree from Dartmouth is vastly different then one from say Cornell.</p>
<p>I agree with the last sentence. Dart is not the place for an engineer who wants to be a professional engineer. Cornell however is. You can't just clump all the ivies together. :)</p>
<p>It also depends on the engineering college. More important, however, are a-the candidates grades and school performance, and b-any experience the student has (internships, etc). A Dartmouth [just using the ex. from the previous post] engineer who had internships for his entire undegrad career as well as a 3.2 is certainly in better shape than a 2.5 engineering student with no internship experience from an engineering school.</p>
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<p>Wow, that's a pretty harsh statement, don't you think? </p>
<p>Look, Dartmouth is obviously not MIT. But it's still better than the majority of other engineering programs out there. Let's face it. There are hundreds and hundreds of no-name engineering programs out there. Whatever else you might say about Dartmouth, at least it's better than them. After all, if Dartmouth is not the place to go if you want to be a professional engineer, then what does that say about all those engineers at Fresno State?</p>
<p>Putting the initials PE, Professional Engineer, is a separate accomplishment from the undergrad degree. It is in addition to. Those of you who speak of engineering maybe should familiarize yourself with this when you choose to use the words "professional" engineer. <a href="http://www.nspe.org/%5B/url%5D">www.nspe.org/</a></p>
<p>if everything is equal who will be given more priority by just looking at the college. Dartmouth or UTAustin, Dartmouth or UIUC,Yale or UIUC, Columbia or UC Berkeley.</p>
<p>Probably the guy from MIT, Caltech, and Olin.....</p>
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Look, Dartmouth is obviously not MIT. But it's still better than the majority of other engineering programs out there. Let's face it. There are hundreds and hundreds of no-name engineering programs out there. Whatever else you might say about Dartmouth, at least it's better than them. After all, if Dartmouth is not the place to go if you want to be a professional engineer, then what does that say about all those engineers at Fresno State?
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<p>No doubt Dartmouth has a better prog then Fresno State (and lets face it - if offered admission there not many here would reject dartmouth!) but the reason I mentioned them is because the degree they give is an arts degree. (Yes, their engineering degree)</p>
<p>sr6622 - I like the way you think. </p>
<p>Look at schools with an accredited engineering program (Yeah yeah, Im eating crap for Olin, but we're getting there, we've not had the chance yet). And ask around, your high school science teacher generally can also tell you what engineering programs are worth anything. Look for programs which give the BS. not the BA. Look for something which you think will turn out a good engineer. Look at where their grads are getting jobs, look at what companies they inturn at, where they are going.
the Ivyes are not normally thought of to have spectacular engineering. (Ok, Cornell I will say has a good engineering program.. ) name doesnt matter, its your ability to do things with your education that does. No one at my highschool had heard of Olin before me, they all thought I was insane for turning down big name engineering programs for some no name program. But I had faith that I would get an amazing engineering education from them, and I am.</p>
<p>Yeah, true, Dartmouth's base engineering degree is, technically speaking, an arts degree (an AB degree, and you can then proceed to get a more advanced and accredited Bachelor of Engineering degree at Dartmouth). </p>
<p>But OK, so it's an arts degree. Fine. Still, I think most people would rather have that than have a 'real' BS engineering degree from a no-name school. Like I said, there are a LOT of no-name low-tier engineering programs out there.</p>
<p>Can someone define what a "better job" is? This means different things to different people, i.e. more money, a prestige company, a prestige location, working on prestige engineering projects, etc.</p>
<p>What's looks and sounds better to me in Silicon Valley may not look the same to someone from Sandusky, Ohio or Erie, Pennsylvania.</p>
<p>It is clearly true that everybody has a different definition of what a 'better job' is. </p>
<p>On the other hand, that's not to say that it is entirely random either. Statistics is all about the study of aggregation of data points, and yes, while data points always exhibit some level of randomness, what is important is where they congregate. </p>
<p>For example, it is widely understood that certain jobs are more desirable than others in the sense that more people would be willing to trade their current job for that job than vice versa. Obviously not everybody wants to do that, but the trend is clear. For example, whenever Microsoft comes recruiting, even in Erie, Pennsylvania or Sandusky, Ohio, the interest level tends to be quite strong. However, whenever some no-name boring industrial manufacturer comes recruiting, the interest tends to come from the local area. And even in the local area, Microsoft might draw more interest. Obviously some people will prefer to work for that local industrial manufacturer over Microsoft no matter what. But the trend lines are clear - on average, Microsoft tends to be highly popular.</p>
<p>The person who is most qualified? I would hope one would not be hired just because of the paper degree they have.</p>
<p>Ohhhh, do we <em>have</em> to have this conversation again? =</p>
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<p>This is because CC posters are mainly high above average students and don't highly regard Dartmouth let alone Fresno State. Well I don't want to be harsh, but most of this Fresno engineers used to be <em>really</em> average students and I doubt their marketability in tech companies other than very small start-ups and mechanic shops in San Jose.</p>
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<p>Ouch. Let's keep in mind that Dartmouth is considered one of the most selective and prestigious schools in the world. Even its engineering program, while obviously not equivalent to MIT's, is still better than the vast majority of other engineering programs out there. Let's keep in mind that there are plenty of people on CC who couldn't ever even dream of getting an engineering program as good as Dartmouth's. </p>
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<p>Hey, don't knock it too much. While I don't have the numbers on me, I would suspect that Fresno State electrical engineering grads probably get paid higher starting salaries than people who graduated from Stanford in Art History. The point is, even a low-end engineering job is still better than a lot of other jobs available out there.</p>
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<p>Pardon me, I meant Dartmouth engineering program in my post above, not as a college. I really don't know if Dartmouth engineering degree is perceived to be as good as, let's say UCSD's or even Penn State's.</p>
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<p>Again, I don't know about this, a bunch of Stanford Art history grads may be employed in many government services or perhaps in journalistic field. I really doubt that Fresno State EE grads would beat Stanford history grads for starting salary. Com'on, Stanford is Stanford, a certificate for excellence, embolden employability even if the degree doesn't exactly fit the job.</p>
<p>By "Ivy Engineer", I'm assuming the schools of Penn, Columbia, Harvard, and Yale, while excluding Dartmouth and Brown since they take a liberal arts approach to engineering and also excluding Cornell and Princeton since they have "prestigious" engineering programs.</p>
<p>My answer is: if you <em>only</em> want to be an engineer, then going to UIUC, Penn State, would be good enough. It'll save you a lot of money. But if you're not sure, then the Ivy will give you more flexibility and make you more appealing to non-engineering quantitative jobs, especially fiancial services. So it depends on what your idea of a career is.</p>
<p>I shoud also say that despite ranked "only" 27th by USNEWS, Penn and Columbia engineers do not have trouble finding engineering jobs (for those who might think otherwise). At Penn, the engineering career fair had 80 recruiting companies for a graduating class of about 350-425 people. I think this is a decent number. On the other hand, Penn engineers can also attend the career fairs of the Wharton school or Penn's college, both of which have a number of prestigious companies recruiting on campus.</p>
<p>Harvard and Yale both have small engineering programs, but I heard they are both of good quality. Yale, I think, is actually quite prestigous in Mechanical engineering. I also agree with Sakky that a rank of around 30 or even 50 for engineering in the USNWR magazine is nothing to look down on. </p>
<p>I am entirely unfamiliar with Dartmouth and Brown's undergraduate engineering programs. I would guess that even fewer people from those programs would consider an engineering career, but that is not because they are not capable of it.</p>
<p>Another way to look at it (from a less personal perspective), is that the people at Ivy engineering undergraduate are of higher "academic aptitude" than those at distinguished state engineering schools. The average SAT for Penn Engineering was 1460, which is notably higher than those at UIUC, Penn State, and VA Tech, and I bet is still higher than those UMichigan, and even UC Berkeley. If you believe that it is the person and not the college that determins future success, then the IVY engineer has the advantage.</p>
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<p>The non-ivy will probably have a greater variety of choices for an engineering career directly available on campus, since a lot more engineering firms recruit at schools like UIUC and UCB than at Yale or Dartmouth. </p>
<p>However, for a non-engineering job that requires quantitative skill, I think the Ivy graduate has the advantage. For example, many fiancial services jobs and consulting firms are heavily biased towards Ivy league schools in terms of recruiting.</p>
<p>For med, law, or MBA school, the Ivy grad will have the advantage.</p>