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<p>If you think Statement B is a logical response to Statement A, you cannot read. That’s not an insult; that’s fact.</p>
<p>Did you ever realize that girls guys want are generally not the highest grade in terms of intelligence?</p>
<p>Its not simply a matter of looks by themselves (there may be some great looking smart girls) its also the ease of maintaining the relationship. An attractive ibanking woman is not going to take the same **** a gorgeous but financially dependent woman will. Imagine trying to maintain a relationship when working 80+ high stress hours. How the hell do you expect there to be any intimacy? </p>
<p>Ibanking guys take the easy way out, the smart thing to do, and get hot girls they can leverage against with the their cash. That is the argument you should be considering.</p>
<p>Also do you honestly expect a woman working 80+ hours to avoid fast food, maintain personal grooming, not have bags under her eyes, still have an “attractive” disposition? If so, you clearly have no idea what it means to be working long hours.</p>
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<p>This is true of certain kinds of men certainly. The kind smart women avoid at all costs.</p>
<p>What is clear here is that the young men expressing such sentiments are not typical of today’s best of breed. Or of yesterday’s for that matter.</p>
<p>I met my husband 30 years ago when we were summer analysts together. 5 couples married in my associate class. There are more marriages in this business between equally educated, top school grads than anything else.</p>
<p>The young guys may date models but they don’t bring them to firm events and they don’t marry them. For that most want peers because life is an adventure they want to share with one. Read the NYT wedding announcements guys. Mature, secure men marry their peers. For some odd reason most want to wake up every morning with someone they can talk to, trust to co-manage the complexities of life and raise great children with. And call them crazy, but they somehow don’t want to be ‘loved’ Craig’slist girl style.</p>
<p>The crap about investment banking women looking twice their age and having bags under theirt eyes is just that, crap. These are women who work hard to be best at everything they do. They are the strong, capable partners smart guys want to march trough life with. </p>
<p>Who on earth raised these young men? Is it any wonder there are several rounds of interviews which often include meeting significant others?</p>
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<p>Clearly you’ve never been near an ibank and wouldn’t make it through round one.</p>
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<p>Is your mother as ashamed as I would be if my hard work had produced a young man who thinks this way? If you’re lucky enough to make any money, I have a strong suspision you’ll find out what being ‘loved’ by Craig’slist girl is all about.</p>
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…because “today’s best of breed” can only be ibankers that come from “top schools” right?
I know someone like that personally who graduated from UChicago and eventually decided to marry someone “equally educated”. His life sucks. Not only did he end up marrying a *****, she isn’t even remotely good looking. That is just double fail.
Is this something that only “book-smart” females who happened to attend an Ivy and worked on Wall Street can do?
Yes, they work hard to be the best at everything they do because investment banking is the only thing they do. Heck, they’re not even really partners. How can she be a partner in a relationship if she’s working 80+ hours a week? She can’t. The only relationship she will have is the one with her job.<br>
Not to mention she just signed a death sentence on any good looks she has ever had. Good luck with life because she’s going to need it.
No. Are you the Thought Police? Are you going to seriously change the way men have been biologically programmed to think for centuries? Again, good luck with that.</p>
<p>Thanks hmom for scapegoating me of sentiments felt by several people on this thread.
First I would like to say that the Columbia thread post was in fact amusing ■■■■■■■■ (you dont think so?). </p>
<p>But lets be clear about things. As an incoming Wharton student, don’t take me for a fool simply because you are already a successful ibanker. Instead, use that clearly intelligent mind of yours to realize that logic leaping ad hominem attacks against random high school kids seeking professional assistance are not productive. </p>
<p>I am not speaking for myself in regards to Craigs list girls of whatever you want to call them. Earlier on this thread someone already alluded to associates trying to go after attractive NYU freshman girls instead of having to go through the trouble of getting someone who has leverage. Dishonest and pathetic as it may seem, it is clear that money makes people set higher standards than before. There is a reason why celebrities start to date one another instead of going for “hot” normal people. Of course you will argue that these people have terrible standards, but that does not change the fact that they exist in the first place. Yes, sad but true.</p>
<p>As to your relationship. I’m astounded that you and your husband are both analysts. I will give you credence in altering my assumptions, but I am still skeptical that “most” ibankers follow suit. I mean, most ibankers begin young, start making big bucks in their late 20s or early 30s and thus at least try the rich, smart, attractive guy lifestyle right? I cant see at least some of these guys, many of whom you already stated are arrogant and confident, not trying to stay aboard even as they age.</p>
<p>Mario, didn’t mean to scapegoat you, as regular readers know I’ve already told Polo What I think of his drivel.</p>
<p>I’ll take some time to respond given that you’re incoming Wharton, the Wharton network being what it is.</p>
<p>I am a fifty something banker and it was 30 years ago that husband and I were analysts. He decided on consulting in the end so we’ve both had intense careers. We are hardly alone, my Wharton peers and his from Stanford married each other in large numbers. They have handled busy lives in all sorts of ways–one spouse taking some years off or working part-time often being the case.</p>
<p>If you get to WS I think you’ll be shocked at what the truth actually is. While 30 years ago there were definitely those among my Wharton classmates who married less educated, less accomplished women, that is rare today among our young employees. It’s also rare to meet a young woman from a top college with marriage on her mind. </p>
<p>Many of these young people have very accomplished, strong mothers. They have gone to school with equally bright young women all of their lives as my sons have. From what I see this has made the standard of what they are looking for today very high. They will marry very attractive, if not beautiful, highly educated and accomplished women on the whole.</p>
<p>There is also the factor of peer pressure. What you will learn is that the men with less bright women are made fun of. Bring a bimbo to a firm event and you will hear about it for the rest of your life. Then there are the things you couldn’t possibly appreciate now such as that less accomplished women have a hard time in Manhattan and other social circles and especially in fitting in at the private schools where they want their kids to go. We have close friends in their fifties who still talk about what they call discrimination against their family by NYC private schools because she is a former model.</p>
<p>The shock of all shocks to you boys will be to learn that as women are still a minority in top MBA programs, it is the women who have their pick of guys these days. There are all sorts of reasons young men are choosing peers for wives that would take pages to explain, but you’ll learn when you get out there. There are the many obvious ones but what I see is that deep down, despite the macho ‘my money gets me what I want’ mentality that does exist on WS, marrying a peer is often the assurance men want in knowing they will be loved for the long term, with or without the money.</p>
<p>It’s very distressing for me to read comments like the Barnard one, ■■■■■■■■ or not, because I have a beautiful daughter at a top college. If you saw her on the subway tomorrow, the last thing you would take her for would be a brainy businesswoman. She, my friend, is the full package. Do you think she’ll choose a boy toy or a peer?</p>
<p>P.S. The poster mentioning the college freshmen is a high school student. Need I say more? I go bck and read past posts to assure myself that this could not possibly be a person who has ever been near The Street.</p>
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Just pulling out a couple quotes from ONE post alone from hmom5:
Need I really say more? The entire point of hmom5’s existence on this forum has solely been to proclaim how great and privileged (she thinks) she and her family are. Ladies and gentlemen, this is an internet forum - anyone can be anyone they want. I would advise others that when you hear someone boasting about themselves in ways that can’t really be substantiated or quantified to take it with a grain of salt. It’s not uncommon for mothers to have a highly inflated view of her own sons and daughters - a biased viewpoint.</p>
<p>Regardless, notice that hmom5 keeps reusing key terms such as “less accomplished” and “less educated”? Hmom5, I ask you to please define these in a concrete manner instead of loosely throwing them around.
- What would you consider “less accomplished” as opposed to “accomplished”?
- What would you consider “less educated” versus “educated”?</p>
<p>Perhaps it would be in your best interest to clarify these so you don’t give off the wrong impression to others on this forums.</p>
<p>Take any impression you like out of this Polo, you know what I think of you…When you actually accomplish something beyond a low GPA at Rutgers you’ll have grounds to take on others, until then we’ll just have to hear your immature, ignorant rants littered with juvenile references to women’s body parts you probably only see on the internet.</p>
<p>When you actually post pictures of your “beautiful” daughter and sons as you have claimed, maybe we’ll actually give you some credit. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Does your “smooth talking Darthmouth” son get that from you?</p>
<p>You keep trying to avoid the questions I asked you in my previous post. They are quite pertinent to this discussion.
You’re can’t answer these questions without creating a whole new set of enemies on this forum can you? I’m guessing you’re on damage control at this point.</p>
<p>I’m happy to answer any and all questions posted by credible posters. I continue to wonder what a Rutgers pharmacy student is doing on the ibanking board. You have ZERO to contribute.</p>
<p>As weird as it is that a rutgers pharmacy student is talking ibanking, it is just as weird if not weirder that an accomplished ibanker who has a ton to do (in terms of professional hours etc.) and has little to nothing to gain from a website about college admissions returns time and time again to inflate herself and her children while deriding those who actually NEED and WANT some advice and encouragement. </p>
<p>The honest truth is, hmom, majority of the posters on this website are high achieving and intelligent individuals. While there are certainly many who may never become ibankers, its ridiculous to me that you assert yourself as unarguably smarter simply because you have the job. Are we supposed to make the same logical leap simply because you believe in your own ability?</p>
<p>You didn’t give me even the slightest credence until I threw in the Wharton name. As much as I love to pride myself in my acceptance, I don’t think it gives me the privileged of deriding others. I could give you a plethora of reasons why you might not be as amazing and as qualified in your profession as you think you are, but you would simply become enraged and this argument would perpetuate.</p>
<p>I think you have some good advice to give, but every single time you start to give it you end up talking down on people who aren’t actually at a subordinate level. Even if you don’t like polo, it doesnt mean that you should just ignore his comments. At the end of the day you’re a fifty something year old ibanking woman who people on this thread are looking to for advice, not for pompous and narcissistic taunts.</p>
<p>Reality check:</p>
<p>If hmom5 were as successful in iBanking as she waxed about, then she wouldn’t be finding the time to post useless banter in this thread (selective breeding, ‘best and the brightest’), etc. My best guess is that she’s either a serious ■■■■■, or a woman who simply fell on hard times and hasn’t recovered since (and is now masquerading as an ‘analyst’ on a College forum). Whatever makes yourself feel better.</p>
<p>My friend (who’s looking at this thread with me) was pulling 24/7 shifts in M&A at Lehman Brothers where he was eventually offered an executive position at Credit Suisse (how hmom5 is finding the time to make her posts, I do not know).</p>
<p>A majority of people don’t even suspect he’s in iBanking until he whips out the business cards.</p>
<p>We’ve both got to thank the threadstarter and hmom5 for giving us a nice little time for laughs. </p>
<p>Happy mother’s day.</p>
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<p>Indeed I only responded when you identified yourself as a Wharton admit. I did so because it would be a shame to have someone espousing your beliefs associated with the Wharton name.</p>
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<p>I have not ignored his comments, I have taken them on and corrected him as have other posters. He has never set foot in an ibank yet comes to this board and writes about the job and lifestyle in a factual tone. It’s important for readers to understand he has no clue what he’s talking about.</p>
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<p>Amazing? I just claim to know what the job entails, what it takes to get hired and what the lifestyle is like. I’ve never commented on my job performance.</p>
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<p>I’m on leave following back surgery. I get a lot out of CC and thoroughly enjoy it. I’m not going to be a banker forever and CC has given me some ideas I love. If calling my daughter beautiful is being full of myself, then I accept that I must be. Did I mention how handsome and accomplished my sons are?</p>
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Allow me to correct what you have said:
Which other poster would that be? You didn’t correct anyone. You shot yourself in the foot from the word “go” by egotistically claiming and professing you and your children’s “superiority” over others. The word “humble” certainly isn’t in your vocabulary and other posters can see right through it as evidenced in the last 10 responses.
Wow. Your children were tested in different ways in SCHOOL. Can everyone believe that? Please give your children some cookies, they deserve it.
This entire forum anxiously awaits the pictures of your daughter. We all hope they truly deliver because as you claim you’re 3 of 3 for your children. We want to see the product of your genes.</p>
<p>I’m late to the party but it shouldn’t be a controversial conclusion at all. Girls whose number one priority in life is to look good will be better looking than girls whose number one priority in life is her career or schooling. Thus, models and party girls will be better looking than female bankers. </p>
<p>Imagine if posters at a modeling or clubbing forum tried to claim that models and party girls are just as smart as female investment bankers. Crazy, right? </p>
<p>I’ve known a lot of smart girls who happen to be good-looking, but in terms of sheer looks they just aren’t in the upper echelons of “hot.” </p>
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<p>If I get married it would definitely be to a girl who’s my “peer.” But I hope that you’re not insinuating males who choose to have multiple long term relationships at once or just a series of short term ones are immature and insecure solely by virtue of their disdain for monogamy.</p>
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<p>That would be me!</p>
<p>hmom, I, too, have accomplished children. My oldest D, also beautiful (don’t need to, and will not, provide a picture to prove), is in her second year as a summer analyst at an ibank. She is 21 and does not look 40 (even after working very long hours at her last analyst job and the major stress of school). She attends an ivy. Her bf graduated from a different ivy. She loves that he is intellectually stimulating and buff at the same time.</p>
<p>My other two do not have significant others at the moment. Would assume they want partners that are equally as smart and sexually attractive to them.</p>
<p>And you are right PureA that the modeling profession will have, on average, better looking women than ibanks because that is one of their job descriptions</p>
<p>I took issue that ibanking women look old before their time because of job hours/stress.</p>
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No matter what the profession, if you do not take care of yourself you will age before your time. Many models, like ibankers, are notorious for not taking care of themselves.</p>
<p>So yes, Ibankers can be beautiful and beautiful women can be ibankers</p>
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Another mother with “accomplished” children. Your daughter must be beautiful too right? Well, I guess we should take your word for it even though you declined to present any evidence for such a claim. (Pictures?)
Major stress of school? Who are you trying to kid? If you think school is a major stressor, you obviously lived a life without real challenges. Hmom5 received some cookies, but you definitely deserve some brownies.
Translation: he talks smart and looks tough at the same time.<br>
Wow! He must be a GREAT catch. Congradulate your daughter for me because she found a keeper.
What issue is there to take with this? This is fact and to dispute that is to be in a state of denial.</p>
<p>Hope your DD is enjoying the work morrismm. My DD was here for dinner tonight with her bf who she met as a summer analyst last summer. He’s now a finishing his first full time year and really enjoying it. Despite all the hours hype he finds time to stay in great shape too. These kids are multi talented, the two of them produced an impressive meal tonight including making pasta from scratch and a seven layer cake!</p>
<p>Polo is well, Polo, but it’s distressing to hear a Wharton bound high school kid with primitive views. I’m generally so happy to see that this generation is leaps ahead of past ones with many young men having been raised by strong, well educated/professional mothers. I’ve always told DD to closely watch how her bf’s father’s treated their wives! Hopefully time and a good peer group will be a fix.</p>