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<p>school certainly isnt a stressor if you go to rutgers and have a 3.0 gpa</p>
<p>and what’s with all the bashing of moms praising their children and pointing out how great they think they are? that’s not being elitist and arrogant - that’s just being a mom. I bet polo’s parents do the same, and with far, far less reason to.</p>
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Those results are satisfactory to me when you include a couple more facts that hmom5 has purposely neglected to include:
<p>Oh yes, and I asked DD’s bf if he knows any analysts who have NYU freshmen week circled. Following the incredulous look he earnestly said anyone who discussed the thought in his analyst class would be an outcast pedophile. His class has 4 couples that he knows of and many men and women in serious relationships with a college sweetheart peer.</p>
<p>hmom5, curious – what group are you in? I’m assuming you’re in corp fin and not S&T, but are you in an industry/product group? If so, which one?</p>
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You’re definitely a bright bulb aren’t you!
You are asking your **daughter’s boyfriend ** what he thinks about men who date younger women liberally. What did you really think he was going to say? He is obviously going to say something that you wanted to hear because what choice did he really have?
Now you have to think for yourself, was he really telling the truth? Hopefully he was so you can sleep better at night. But I have to warn you that men tend to have fantasies as well otherwise where would we get our creativity from?</p>
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<p>Things must have changed in the last decade as there certainly were not four couples in my IB class and were barely over four girls total in the class. This must not be Goldman, where last I knew you are instantly fired if it is learned that you are dating a co-worker.</p>
<p>Gellino brings up a good point:
There seems to be some disconnect between what Gellino is telling us and what hmom5 is telling us which is:
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<li> You cannot date a co-worker.</li>
<li> Ibankers work 80+ hour weeks</li>
<li> Hmom5: Ibankers should date their “peers”.</li>
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<p>While I can’t claim I’m the sharpest tool in the shed, but the math just doesn’t add up. How do you date an “ibanking peer” who is not a co-worker when you work 80+hours per week? It’s simply not feasible. You work 80+ hour weeks. She works 80+ hour weeks. You both cannot be from the same office. Tell me the magic juice you’re drinking to think that this will even work out.</p>
<p>As a reminder, here is Hmom5 talking so highly of her daughter:
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<p>We’re still waiting for pictures of your daughter! When are you going to put your money where your mouth is and actually provide evidence for what currently amounts to unquantifiable and unsubstantiated bragging of your daughter who is the “full package”? Dare to impress us?</p>
<p>wow … hmom just called my views primitive…</p>
<p>I guess those primitive views got me accepted into Wharton during the hardest admissions cycle in history.</p>
<p>I’m sure 30 something years ago Wharton had just as many Asians and other minority, poor and underprivileged, and women applicants. And I’m sure that the average SAT was far above the paltry 1450 it is now.Oh wait…</p>
<p>Back in the day there weren’t many women applicants, there were barely any overqualified Asian and international applicants, and many URMs were fearful or simply unaware of applying. Oh yeah and poor people didn’t get nice financial aid packages as well. Hmmm. I wonder just how qualified hmom really had to be to get in as a rich girl in an applicant pool of 2000…</p>
<p>I guess the same can be said of any ivy grads of the past. Sad thing is, most of these people aren’t Bill Gates. </p>
<p>hmom I’m glad things worked out for your daughter and handsome sons. I’m assuming they got their genes from you?</p>
<p>A decade is a long time Gellino. Most banks shoot for a 50/50 analyst class these days. When you work long hours together the inevitable happens. We’re much more concerned with people dating their subordinates than analyst or associate couples.</p>
<p>This is so much noise on these threads from kids who have never spent a day in an ibank that I encourage all readers to address lifestyle questions to real bankers.</p>
<p>Mario, I married a peer, beauty and brains wise:) I’m curious, what is your mom’s education level and does she work?</p>
<p>Both my mom and dad were valedictorians of their high school class in India… yea out of 1500+ kids per class. My dad got into IIT, the school with the lowest acceptance rate in the world. My mom went to another prestigious university in india and graduated with honors. </p>
<p>I’m sure you’re much smarter than them.</p>
<p>Whatever I’m done with this thread. I think I’ll go get an internship at an ibank or something and see how things turn out. Of course things would be a lot easier for me was my mom and ibanker herself.</p>
<p>hmom5, purposefully or accidentally ignoring my question?</p>
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<p>So, you’re telling me after decades of 80%+ males in IB, that it is now 50/50? That is not remotely consistent with my MBA class or any buyside groups I have worked in since IB. </p>
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<p>While that would be worse, that’s not what my friends at Goldman tell me about the culture there.</p>
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<p>Why would this matter at all?</p>
<p>Pure, I worked mostly in M & A but have done different jobs over time.</p>
<p>Gellino, most of the schools we recruit from for analysts are 50% women these days. And there was a major law suit that made banks take a hard look at their treatment of women. MBA classes are still majority male and fewer women come in at that level. I asked about his mother to try to understand where his desire to marginalize women is derived from. If you’re getting a different story from GS analysts, I’m very surprised.</p>
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<p>M&A - nice! I’m going to be summering in M&A at a BB. What are your thoughts on some of the current trends in M&A? Do you see more stock swaps, cash sweeps, or hybrid structures? Also, what are your views on the leveraged finance markets from both an underwriting and LIBOR volatility perspective?</p>
<p>Here is another prospective. I did the whole round of analyst to associate, vp round. I never got a MBA because I was very specialized in what I was doing and probably was fairly good at my job. I worked everyday from 8am-7pm, some weekends and late nights. Everyone I worked with knew unless it was absolutely necessary, I wasn’t going to work crazy hours. My performance review and pay were often just as good if not better than my peers. The reason was (I think) I always got my projects done on time and I worked faster than most of my colleagues. </p>
<p>I quite front office work when my kids were born. At that time we have started going global, and I was getting calls 2-3am. I worked from home for many years and came back to a support function (IT). In my role I have worked with many women - head of Sales, research, corporate finance. Some of them were drop dead beautiful, some not so hot. People like to think the beautiful ones got there because of their looks. It’s not always true. I consider myself to be fairly intelligent, but I have been blown away by how smart they are, not just on the actual work, but politically. Most of them are type A. They take very good of themselves. They go to the best spa and hairdresser. They regularly get a massage and have a personal trainer. I do not know too many of them to be married to another ibanker. They tend to have husbands that have less demanding jobs. Most of those women are very involved with their children and run a very tight household.</p>
<p>Another thing to point out is, as you move up the ladder, there are more people doing things for you. I wouldn’t consider myself to be a senior manager, but I do run a fairly large size department. I have many people work late at night, but I go home at 6. They call me at home if there is a real disaster.</p>
<p>I will add to the club of having beautiful daughters. One of them will go into ibanking, but probably won’t marry one because there just won’t be a house big enough to fit that much ego. The other one would make a very smart, artsy, high strung trophy wife to any successful man. Unless of course, if she should decide to be a doctor.</p>
<p>To be fair, I think hmom has offered some very valuable advice to many young people on this board. She has posted once or twice why she has more time to post on CC this year, and I am a bit jealous of her ability to do so (not the back surgery part). I have certainly enjoyed her input on the parents forum. No matter whether you agree with her or not, you will meet many people like her at work. Even at my age, I feel my boss (even my colleagues) could be condescending. I want to scream at them sometimes, “Do I really look stupid to you?” But it is to my benefit to deal with it in the least confrontational manner.</p>
<p>Pure, I think M & A will be very hot for the near term. With limited exit strategies due to credit markets companies with cash will look to pick up some bargains. We’ll see all sorts of creative structuring. Good choice for the next several years!</p>
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<p>The weeks that I work 80 hours are few and have been for some time. The myths on this board spread by people who never worked a day in a bank are just silly.</p>
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<p>Women bankers are some of the most competitive people on the planet. Their spirit of competition is not limited to work. Most keep themselves up very, very well as Oldfort says. Among my friends we run marathons, heli ski (responsible for my back injury), box–you name it. Anyone out of shape would not have the energy for the job.</p>
<p>Things are much better for women then it was for Oldfort and me years ago. Many clients were not sure about women bankers in years past, especially attractive ones who could be a distraction. There is nothing more attractive to many men than the confidence women bankers drip. Client come ons were a major point of discussion between women bankers and their female mentors. Things have changed a lot for the better, though as these boards show, there are still some Neanderthals roaming the planet.</p>
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<p>Allow me to rephrase for you:</p>
<p>Some women bankers are some of the most egotistical people on this planet. Their spirit of competition is certainly not limited to work…Among my friends, we walk half marathons, pay for a helicopter to drop us off on the top of a mountain so we can go bowling down the slope and break our backs, and partake in those Saturday afternoon Tae-Bo classes at the local gym.</p>
<p>To a fellow incoming Wharton student and a fellow man, show some respect for a woman and an elder. I know it’s fun because you’re hiding behind a computer screen and all, but still, show a LITTLE respect. Especially when she has an idea of what she is talking about seeing as hmom5 has been working in banking for a while. And it’s pretty obvious she’s not a ■■■■■…</p>
<p>Just tryin’ to give Wharton kids a good name…</p>
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<p>I’m not saying that all women in finance are eye candy, but actually, it is sometimes precisely because they are a distraction that firms are fond of them. Awhile ago I innocently asked a friend who his IBD sends on a given pitch, he explained to me the decision-making process (which I mostly forget already) but I distinctly remember him saying at the end “…and sometimes a hot research assistant just for show.” </p>
<p>I interned before at a fund of funds, and one time a hedge fund came in to pitch themselves, two men and a woman (who was reasonably good-looking for mid-30s). The two men were managers who gave their spiel and I have no idea what the woman did, all she did was introduce herself and then say goodbye. I asked my supervisor why she came along and he just dead-panned rhetorically, “why do you think?”</p>