Why do people NOT believe in God?

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<p>Uh… it’s pretty hard to win or lose any type of debate if you don’t have a position to begin with… If you’re having a debate on whether the flying spaghetti monster exists and you say “I don’t believe in him/her/it/them and I don’t disbelieve in him/her/it/them” then you’re not winning or losing while the fsm-ists and the atheists with respect to the fsm will either win or lose based on whoever makes the best arguments.</p>

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<p>Read posts 1782 to 1797.</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/high-school-life/924944-science-religion-wins-119.html#post1065511301[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/high-school-life/924944-science-religion-wins-119.html#post1065511301&lt;/a&gt; (It’ll go right to 1782 when you click it)</p>

<p>I don’t like having religion forced down my throat, by those who are hypocrites. Most, if not all the major religions(this excludes Hinduism, Shintoism, paganism, and other various indigenous religions) are nothing more than an attempt to control others. They write down these rules that you must obey or else. They try to force you to follow these rules, yet they don’t even follow them. I do believe in a higher being, but through my own beliefs, and through my own path.</p>

<p>the major issue with the epicurus quote is in “then why call him god?” why not call him god? what is a god, after all? it’s also not arguing against theism, but arguing for a distant god who has little interaction in human affairs. </p>

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<p>agnosticism is a position. you should check [this</a>](<a href=“http://www.slate.com/id/2258484/]this”>The rise of the new agnostics.) out.</p>

<p>the posts you linked to assume that human assumptions of a god are correct. (Most religious folks who adhere to a god in a monotheistic religion will agree that their god is omniscient (all-knowing), omnipotent (endowed with unlimited power), and omnibenevolent (loving). ) </p>

<p>if we assume that these assumptions are false (god is not all knowing, god is not omnipotent, god is malevolent, etc) then is their god still god? yes. even if these assumptions are correct, why would these characteristics get rid of all evil in the world? evil is a totally relative term. morals are relative and shift over time and space. </p>

<p>the problem arises mainly because the definition of a god is not concrete. a god’s interaction with human life is not knowable. there is nothing to go off of. a god could exist beyond our reality and perception, as such in deism. no abrahamic religion’s great texts were written by god (well, the koran is the literal ‘word of god’ but it was still originally recorded by human hand) so our perceptions of what a god is could be incredibly false.</p>

<p>also: hinduism and shintoism and all religions really, all act as leveling mechanisms. consider karma and marriage rituals in hinduism. hell, shintoism even teaches that some actions make one impure. purification after such actions is definitely a ‘rule that you must obey or else.’ it’s a standard characteristic of religion.</p>

<p>I disagree. While I am an agnostic atheist, I don’t think that most major religions “are nothing more than an attempt to control others.” I believe most religions were created to do what science tries to do today: to explain the world around us. Those “big questions” are so entrenched in our culture because humans naturally want to know what caused our existence. I agree with the idea that humans are “sinful” in that they are naturally selfish (because we, like all animals, have a survival instinct). We want power, money, sex, because those “improve” our life and theoretically continue the human race. Because of that, people have taken religion and MADE it into a way to control others. Humans can do that with lots of things, though. Religion is incredibly powerful because it helps explain those unanswerable questions. In ancient times when we didn’t have very many scientific answers, we used gods to explain what was happening. Civilizations based on farming, for example, worshiped a personable god of the land who, if the worshipers did what the god wanted, would give them a good harvest. It gave the people a sense of comfort and stability knowing that a powerful being was in charge and that they could do something to affect the weather, etc. Later, human rulers took advantage of the trust placed in those gods and used religion as a way to conquer and subdue. That does not, however, make religion itself bad. Good and bad things have come from religion, just like good and bad things have come from government. Both do similar things, in my opinion, although religion is oftentimes more powerful because it usually has a life-after-death thing going, which trumps this life. I think, however, that blind trust in a god can be harmful, especially when that faith clashes with science. Although we still don’t know nearly as much as there is to know about the universe, we are learning more and more. Religion oftentimes lets people get away with ignorance, and lots of people who grow up in certain religions are very scared of the idea that no one knows some things, or that some things are completely impersonal. They have their faith rooted so deeply in a religion that they often refuse to accept scientific fact (or strong theory). I have some relatives like this. Their daughter suffers from bipolar disorder, and while they understand that it is a mental illness, they do not fully get that it is caused by chemicals in the brain, etc. They do not trust psychiatrists very well, and they are under the impression that prayer, above all things, will help this girl. If she does not respond, they say it is because she is sinful. They attack her faith when her disorder gets out of hand, which does not help the situation. She was hospitalized a few months ago after attempting suicide. </p>

<p>Once again, however, this is not RELIGION’S fault. It is people. Corporations do this, governments do this, cliques and policemen and teachers do this. The more power a group has, the more the influence is felt, which is why religion gets such a crappy deal. Ignorant religious people are dangerous, while intelligent, educated religious people are not (usually).</p>

<p>tl;dr.</p>

<p>preface: i’m an agnostic.</p>

<p>-evil is intrinsically human in origin. moreover, the only way for any being to prevent evil would be to interfere with free will [i’m sure this argument has been made before, but i don’t have the patience to read this whole thread]: in a human context, this just means stopping people we deem “evil”; in an omniscient/omnipotent one, it means using an inhuman advantage- and stopping “evil” people</p>

<p>what bugs me most is this: people always assume that we can understand god.
does god necessarily…
-have the same morals as humans?
-have the same drive, purpose, or desires as humans?
-approach things in a human way?
Is god even comprehendible by the human mind? can god fit within the bounds of our feeble consciousness?</p>

<p>Personally, I believe that a person who [implicitly or explicitly] claims they know what god wants, feels, or is like is ludicrous. Does a microbe have any understanding of a human at all? Do we even think of microbes as having thoughts or feelings? no. </p>

<p>My personal belief? If there is a god of some sort [and I’ve felt that there is], it is so far out of out reach that to argue over it is stupid. </p>

<p>On the subject of religion:
Religion is not inherently good or bad. I know people whose religion gives them solace and hope, people whose religion gives them purpose, people who use their religion as a tool for good. And I know bigoted, small-minded people who use their religion as a crutch, as a reason to hate. These people, however, would likely be the same whether or not they had religion- I know small-minded atheists who act identically to small-minded zealots.
I don’t think the problem is with god, it’s with people. People who twist and misinterpret something meant to be a path to follow into a method of hatred or a path to ignorance. </p>

<p>In any case, claiming that one can disprove god is just as arrogant as claiming that one can prove god.</p>