<p>I mean, if Airlines can merge together to create a bigger company, then Barnard might as well merge with Columbia so we can end this discussion on whether Barnard student is a Columbia student.... </p>
<p>Barnard can still keep its name as a separate college under Columbia, but admission standard and decision should be managed by the admission office in Hamilton Hall....</p>
<p>Too many girls…? (jk)</p>
<p>I think Columbia is fine at the moment. They don’t need to expand like NYU which has wasted money on useless expansions rather than giving students FA.</p>
<p>You do realize that Barnard was part of Columbia before, and they separated?</p>
<p>If they merge together again then what would be the point of girls in CC and SEAS? They would have to be moved to the Barnard part.</p>
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<p>Um, and some proposed mergers don’t happen because the two companies are unable to – and will never be able to – agree on the terms of the merger.</p>
<p>different traditions, specialized systems, etc etc.</p>
<p>although I do have a strong opinion on whether a barnard student is a columbian student. in my opinion, the answer is NO. No offense Barnardians, but Barnard really isn’t as competitive as Columbia.</p>
<p>I have a friend who got rejected from Columbia, but got in Barnard (2090 SAT), then proceeded to brag about how she got in “columbia” and even posted that as her current college on facebook. I kind of lost a bit of respect for her after that lol.</p>
<p>just a personal opinion, dont be offended <3</p>
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<p>You should have started a 250-comment flamethrowing match on her wall.</p>
<p>I love that Columbia and Barnard are separate. I like that there’s an all-girls school nearby where they’re all concentrated in a pack and it makes it easier for me to pick off the slowest ones to ask out.</p>
<p>I think it sucks people are so negative about Barnard.
If I preferred a small LAC with a tight community, I would have picked it over Columbia in a heartbeat. As it is, I preferred Columbia’s campus when I visited. However, if deferred or rejected to Columbia, I plan on applying to Barnard (I adore NYC and prefer Barnard over NYU due to financial aid and also campus community). If I did attend I would like to know that people didn’t look so poorly upon Barnard girls. 
I don’t see people at Columbia flaming NYU students who go there after being rejected to Columbia…(And there is NO shame in going to either Barnard or NYU, both are prestigious - if not ivy league). </p>
<p>More on topic, I think one of the differences between columbia and barnard right now is the differing views on the core curriculum? Personally, I think Columbia and Barnard should remain separate, but they need to be more specific on exactly where the sepration lies to end all this feuding.</p>
<p>terms of merger is easy… “Money talks.”</p>
<p>wifey, you realize they tried? and it didn’t work. you know why it didn’t work? barnard didn’t want to. its their choice, and barnard is a great institution.</p>
<p>silence - they never were merged and separated. F.A.P. Barnard suggested it to be a college, was rejected, and Barnard started by Annie Meyer as a separate institution named after Barnard.</p>
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<p>Ingenuity at its finest.</p>
<p>If they didn’t want to, then Columbia should just cut off any affliliation they have with Barnard. I don’t know Barnard would still have its prestige without the association with Columbia… </p>
<p>What would Columbia gain by affiliating with Barnard? It seems to me like Barnard has much more to gain than Columbia through this type of affiliation.</p>
<p>[Columbia-Barnard</a> relationship - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia](<a href=“http://www.wikicu.com/Columbia-Barnard_relationship]Columbia-Barnard”>Columbia-Barnard relationship - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia)
It’s all there^^ arguing on here won’t change anything.
There will always be barnard girls who claim to be columbians, but in the end does it really take that much away from your experience?</p>
<p>one thing i don’t understand is why people have to say that barnard and columbia are separate and that barnard is certainly no columbia. </p>
<p>why do people have to come at barnard? can’t they just end the statement at “barnard and columbia are separate”? barnard is a great institution in of itself. one of the most competitive all women colleges in the country.</p>
<p>anyway, barnard and columbia can’t merge because, as many others already said, they can’t agree on too many things. barnard wants to do things one way, columbia wants something else. they’re fine the way they are.</p>
<p>I visited both and fell in love with Barnard. I would be competitive for Columbia, I don’t want to use it as a back-door in kind of thing. </p>
<p>If I end up there, I would not be telling people I went to Columbia. Maybe Barnard College-Columbia University, though, as Barnard isnt as universally known in my area</p>
<p>The main reason Barnard isn’t my first choice, however, is I’m afraid of this negative attitude from Columbia students…</p>
<p>I really think the alumni/current Columbia students don’t care that much about it. My friends mom is a CC grad and when I told her I was applying to Barnard she said “oh that’s Columbia anyway.” It’s not really that big of a deal…</p>
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<p>You mean separate but affililiated institution right? IIRC it has always been an affiliate.</p>
<p>“What would Columbia gain by affiliating with Barnard?”
When the deal was struck, they gained women. They didn’t have any.
Later what they gained was permission to become coed.
Part of the deal that Columbia College sold to the Trustees to get them to approve its coeducation was that the affiliate relation would continue in a manner such that Barnard would remain viable. The college’s resulting coeducation made it more competitive with other institutions, which had previously abandoned their own affiliate relationships and become truly coed. This helped pave the way for 40%+ acceptance rates to eventually become sub- 10% acceptance rates. Without the promise of Barnard’s continued affilliation made at that time, the College’s proposal may have been turned down, and arguably many of you would not be on this subforum now, interested in this school.</p>
<p>What else they gain:
<p>"can’t they just end the statement at “barnard and columbia are separate”? "
IMO no, because they are not truly separate. Nor are they truly completely integrated. I guess they are affiliates. It’s complicated.</p>
<p>“I think it sucks people are so negative about Barnard.”
So do I.</p>
<p>Understandably. And then barnard does not get some of the capable students who share these concerns.</p>
<p>last paragraph above was missing the quoted sentence that was supposed to be above it:
"The main reason Barnard isn’t my first choice, however, is I’m afraid of this negative attitude from Columbia students… "</p>
<p>As a current columbia student, I can say that most students get over the “Columbia-Barnard split” very quickly. There are always a few Barnard girls who insist they belong to the “larger columbia community”, which is annoying only because they refuse to embrace the Barnard community. There are many aspects of Barnard which, as a Columbia male, I wish I had. I think mainly people on the outside like to debate this more than people on the inside. Columbia might be harder to get in to, but Barnard’s curriculum is just as rigorous. The only true difference is before and after the college years–a Barnard degree might not provide the same career opportunities as a Columbia degree.</p>
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<p>Lucyloves, the only place you will see this “negative attitude” is pretty much here on these boards. On campus, it’s not an issue.</p>