Nothing is true of all of anything. But I did not say it was an argument at all. Really just a factual statement.
I am just providing useful real world info outside of " just go to Princeton and major in anything and you’ll still get a great job". That applies to less than 1% of the pop and many of them knew who they would and where they would go to college shortly after their birth.
“default major”, where it’s the most common major chosen by students who don’t really know what to study and where not much may be expected. Not really “practical” if it yields less reading, less writing, less rigor than other majors (which research shows is the current situation) as business want people with “practical skills” but who also can write well, communicate well, etc.- skills many employers bemoan they can’t find."
Now is that claim based on other students at that same school in the the other majors or are you(they) comparing the infamous Radford business major to the Gtown English major?
^yup, that would be comparing apples with apples - students within the same school, and accross schools of similar caliber - comparing, say, Radford with UW-Oshkosh, Central Arkansas, and Cal State Chico.
(I agree that comparing the G’Town any major with any major at Radford would make no sense.)
A study showed that the students read less, wrote less, were expected less of, than their counterparts either in the humanities or the sciences, although I think they were roughly on part with education majors and “leisure studies” majors had them both beat. 
talk about a low bar…
Ok, this thread has me going in several different directions at once, so I am going to bring it back to my personal situation weighing what people have said here. I am looking at accounting/finance programs for my junior in HS daughter, and merging that goal with her desires for type and location of the college.
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According to @barrons , to get recruited, go to a huge state school with 1000+ business graduates per year.
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According to @MYOS1634 , the elites still matter, so make those (Wharton) your “reach” schools.
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According to @taxguy , most top schools and most top firms want people who can think and write clearly and well.
(I am sure I missed some folks)
But @MYOS1634 also raised the question regarding the LACs such as Bentley and Babson who seem to do well at teaching business and having their students get recruited, while still having some focus on liberal arts.
So what are your thoughts about a school like Emory – highly-ranked in business, a relatively large number of students (300 undergraduates and 370 masters students per year), near a big city for recruiting purposes, and strong in liberal arts, writing, etc. These schools tend to be private with good financial aid, for those of us who need it. I think Emory and some other schools are what @MYOS1634 was referring to – a 4th group of schools with strong liberal arts AND strong business, but not the massive programs that the state schools offer. These are the schools we have been targeting.
Thoughts? Thanks!
Emory has solid B school recruitment.
Most large state B schools dont have 1000 grads per year. UW graduated 450 last May.That may grow to about 650. Umich about 425. Uva 350. There are some larger ones too–Texas is huge.
Emory’s Goizueta is very good; entrance is selective though, students have to complete two years and pre-requisites before they can get in (they apply Spring sophomore year I believe). You’re right, it combines strong writing skills and rigorous business classes.
@PurpleTitan I looked at that possibility before, but quickly rejected it. Using GRE scores as a proxy for critical thinking skills,
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2zc6Qc/SQ9Gpp-yuXI/AAAAAAAAHnc/nIEJ3uK0TkQ/s1600-h/gre.bmp
I would expect both math and physics to score low on CLA and communication to score high. In reality, you have both communication and physics scoring low, in the second lowest group while math scores in the top group. Muti and interdisciplinary studies, despite its high critical thinking demands as pointed out by @shawbridge’s article, continues to stay in the first group. If the theory is correct, this should not happen. My personal feeling is that the gains are related to the nature of the major and the way it is taught.
@MYOS1634 I think we are different in education as well. In my part of the woods, education is quite competitive because the teachers are well compensated. To have a chance for admission, potential candidates have to have a first degree with honours, work or volunteer experience with children of various age groups and good references. When my kids were in their last year of high school, I checked out their math teachers and found that they all had honour math degrees from Waterloo, Toronto and Queen’s. I knew then and there that they were in good hands.
Kelley is massive. Farmer is pretty big too. I think Haas undergrad is a similar size to Ross & McIntire.
And right, does it matter if the overall university is much bigger when a b-school student is mostly fraternalizing with people in their b-school?
To me, direct/guaranteed/preferred admit to a b-school is more important (especially for an accounting major) unless you’re comfortable transferring to another university if you fail to get in to your university’s b-school (or if you’re at UMich, do something like a BGS while taking accounting classes).
Where are you in-state, @Daddio3?
Some other placement info–UM, UVa, IU-K which is larger by far at over 1200 annual grads
https://michiganross.umich.edu/our-community/recruiters
http://kelley.iu.edu/UCSO/files/2014%20Annual%20Report-ONLINE.pdf
Berkeley (Haas) business graduates 300-370 at the bachelor’s level every year. It is selective admission at the junior level (i.e. no one is admitted as frosh; Berkeley students and transfer students apply to enter as juniors).
There was a thread a few years ago which indicated that some employers preferentially recruited business majors over economics majors taking the less-math route, as the latter are seen as rejects from the business major. I.e. they are recruiting from a pool with a higher level of pre-selection.
FWIW, Farmer students are required to complete the Global Miami Plan, Miami’s 36-semester-hour liberal arts core curriculum. You can’t get out of there without at least some exposure to non-business topics and other modes of inquiry.
@Canuckguy: that’s correct.
See PM since this is off topic
Every AACSB approved B school program has a significant liberal arts component. At least 60+ credits outside bus/econ.
Because there is nothing to learn in business
@tryingforyale – such a valuable contribution. I am sure Yale will be thrilled to accept one with such wisdom.
Interesting short article on supplemental instruction for lawyers.
Not sure if it’s been mentioned yet, but the University of British Columbia offers a bachelors of commerce through their Sauder School of Business. Admission is very competitive (about 10% acceptance rate) but the program is well regarded, as is UBC (top 50 global university).
Any thoughts on the undergraduate business programs at Syracuse, Miami University (Ohio) and the University of Miami?
Any thoughts on Bryant University’s International Business Program?