<p>I always hear people say Cornell is the worst Ivy (I assume they get that by looking at acceptance rates & rankings). The acceptance rate is obviously larger because Cornell is physically the biggest Ivy. Personally, I think that CAS and Engineering are the only schools in Cornell that can be compared to other Ivies.</p>
<p>Agree/disagree?</p>
<p>Honestly who really cares… its an ivy league school and thats it… no one says its worse… when you say you went to harvard or yale its just very unheard of since its the top of the top… cornell is also and i still get the reaction of WOW when i say i got in there and am possibly going… if you get in thats amazing, if you dont youl be successful where ever you go… my roomate from the college im leaving was like “only the people at cornell consider it an ivy” these obsessed people just have to stop crying about it, these people are just insecure and have no confidence if there busy debating why a certain place “should” be considered an ivy and others shoudnt… fact is my roomate and other ppl who say that r just jealous of u… thats life</p>
<p>not again…</p>
<p>Yup, don’t feed the [rnh 1395] ■■■■■.</p>
<p>Because it’s the least selective, and some people think selectivity is all there is to determining the quality of a college. yawn.</p>
<p>There is no “worst” Ivy. Some Ivy schools are just better at certain programs than others.</p>
<p>Hahahaha! Why are these threads almost always started by OP’s with 1 post!!</p>
<p>Here we go again…big yawn. We just got back from a double Cornell graduation and if Cornell is considered the worst at anything than that is just the opinion of a someone who is clueless. Spend just one day at Cornell, and come back and tell us that it is the “worst Ivy”. You should be so lucky to spend 4 years there.</p>
<p>To be honest, I don’t know what the term “Worst Ivy” means. </p>
<p>Start from the premise that those who think a ranking means something would probably say Harvard, Yale, Princeton and maybe Columbia are 1-4. They certainly have much tougher admissions criteria than Cornell. </p>
<p>So, that leaves Penn, Dartmouth, Brown and Cornell. Over time these schools shift around in Ivy Rankings.</p>
<p>However, in determining rank of a University, isn’t the question - what do you want to study?</p>
<p>If you want to study Ag, Hotel, ILR and Hum Ec., well, Cornell is the only Ivy league school in these groups (which makes it the best, right!!). Cornell’s Architecture School may be #1 in the Ivies (I’ve seen it ranked as high as #1 in the nation) and certainly one of the top 3. Engineering either number 1 or number 2 in the Ivys. </p>
<p>So, that leaves Arts & Sciences. My guess is statistically that it’s somewhere between #6 and #8 in the Ivies. But for universities, the A&S I would guess top 15 or so in the nation, though I haven’t researched this. Overall, not too shabby.</p>
<p>Here’s the important thing – at the end of the day, whether a school is ranked 7, 12 or 18 in the Nation is probably meaningless. The differences are so small, and undoubtedly come down to subjective judgments. There are so many more important factors in choosing a school.</p>
<p>Here is an interesting world university ranking. Cornell is ranked 14th in the world and 4th in the Ivies, just behind Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. Go BIG RED!!</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/top-200.html[/url]”>http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/top-200.html</a></p>
<p>It’s not the worst ivy. FYI, although CAS, architecture, and engineering may be the most hardest to get into, the other schools at Cornell also have one of the best schools in the country. Don’t tell me I’m going to the worst ivy because I’m in CALS. Hmm… actually my major is the best in the country so why would I attend anyplace else? And no I’m not going to be a farmer because that’s the stereotype of us CALS students.</p>
<p>Holy sh** you guys. How hard is it to just not respond to these threads. (Or at least not respond un-sarcastically.)</p>
<p>It’s not the “worst” Ivy. It’s the “different” Ivy.</p>
<p>Cornell is by far the largest university in the Ivy League and by far the youngest. It is also the only Ivy in which the majority of students are not majoring in the liberal arts. It was designed in a different way than the other Ivies, with a different plan, equally emphasizing practical studies and more traditional academic fields. It also was the only Ivy that was co-ed from the very beginning.</p>
<p>The “worst” Ivy reputation comes from the facts that (1) Cornell admits a higher percentage of applicants than any other school in the Ivy League, and (2) SAT/ACT score averages at Cornell are lower than at the other Ivies.</p>
<p>But these statistics don’t reflect lower quality. What they really reflect is the “different” nature of Cornell. Many of Cornell’s students are in specialized pre-professional programs where other criteria for admission – such as demonstrated experience in the specialized field or a portfolio of previous work – are more important than SAT scores. In the less specialized schools at Cornell (Arts and Sciences and Engineering), the SAT scores are higher than you think and the percentage of students admitted is lower than you think.</p>
<p>I don’t think the OP is a ■■■■■. Even if he/she is, I’ll admit that I’ve actually thought about those things, too… back when I cared about rankings a lot. Admit it, almost all of you guys have looked up universities’ rankings at some point during your application process or once you got into the schools of your choice. I think it’s okay to get a little defensive and to prove to prospective students that Cornell is by no means a “worst ivy”. There are a LOT of factors that come to play that a few numbers from some ranking website cannot capture. I also guarantee that once you start your studies here at Cornell, even the most insecure of you ranking-stalkers will develop a different attitude toward those rankings. Let’s just say Cornell is a very prestigious school that’s looked HIGHLY upon by companies. If you graduate from here, you are setting down a very solid foundation for your future career, arguably a more solid one than some of the “better” Ivies.</p>
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<p>^lol, I completely agree.</p>
<p>Must be the money…</p>
<p>Wash U smaller avg class size and somewhat more selective (by USNWR’s measurements – i.e., 30 points higher avg SAT). </p>
<p>The point is – if you look at all the numbers, Wash U and Cornell are “thisclose” overall – in USNWR’s opinion, except that Cornell blows Wash U away on reputation.</p>
<p>And content of academic programming, as evident by the top 5 engineering ranking, top 5 undergrad business ranking, #1 architecture program, and top programs in every other field Cornell decides to make a school in (hotels, labor, etc.). WashU offers everything Cornell does, only not as good but higher ranked. We know where USNWR stands.</p>
<p>Isn’t Cornell A&S acceptance rate somewhere around 15%? Isn’t UPenn A&S acceptance rate somewhere around 17%? Doesn’t that make Cornell more selective? Of course.</p>
<p>If you factor in Barnard, SGS, and Jewish Theological Seminar doesn’t Columbia have a 20+% admit rate? Yes of course.</p>
<p>Will any of these stats ever be reported? Of course not. Because Cornell cares least about exclusive percentages and most about providing high quality education.</p>
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