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Thanks to Ilovebagles for the personal opinion + the info that the University of Pennsylvania likes interdisciplinary studies. I did not know that at all.
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<p>"Penn hearts interdisciplinary" is supposed to be as readily apparent as "Penn is in Philadelphia."</p>
<p>And of course I see a new list of "i wanna apply to these" college lists every day in which it's all the Ivy League schools for Liberal Arts & Sciences.....and then when it comes to Penn they think "oh better apply to Wharton cuz like why else would i bother lollol"</p>
<p>Makes me so angry that I could crush a bagel between my hands if only I could find them here...</p>
<p>Penn’s marketing efforts are so weak that Wharton has taken things into their own hands. Maybe you should write a letter to Gutmann, I hear she’s pretty responsive</p>
<p>lol. I think that sometimes it’s also partly the problem when people like necrophiliac tell people that they don’t have a chance for wharton, when they’re obviously not interested in business, but that they might have a chance in cas. I mean, honestly, most people are not interested in business and they shouldn’t force themselves to be just because they’re at Penn.
I don’t even think that the Penn guide book talks about the one-school policy. But I guess you just have to do your own research and then you’ll find out about all the opportunities.</p>
<p>I think it’s an idealogical issue. You don’t need to drive a Lamborghini to be rich. You don’t need newspapers praising your philanthropy to help mankind. Maybe the added marketing is just a prestige grab.</p>
<p>edit: Susie, I guess I owe an apology to the community. It’s just business is all aspects of my life so I tend to worship it with religious dogma. I never intended on putting anyone down or making Wharton seem larger than Upenn.</p>
<p>Or, maybe people just need to use Google. Penn is blatantly clear on their interdisciplinary curricula AND the one-school policy on their website (yes, I found them both when I was applying). If you cannot navigate it (which, I will admit, is ridiculously hard and unintuitive), then sucks for you.</p>
<p>Most brochures and web sites I’ve seen very clearly indicate that interdisciplinary studies is one of the strengths and differentiating aspects of Penn.</p>
I thought Penn State was in State College, PA not Philly. You must be thinking of Temple :)</p>
<p>Penn’s been trying to market itself and has really improved its name in the past decade or two. It’s tough to overcome inertia in prestige. </p>
<p>Like it or not Wharton is a big part of how Penn undergrad is viewed, so maybe we need to do a lot more to show the world that there are a lot better programs here than Wharton. Maybe if Wharton marketed itself as “The Wharton School at Penn” it would give us a boost. I’ve read plenty of articles citing Wharton professors, but they all fail to mention that Wharton is a business school at Penn. I’ve seen stuff like “The Booth School at Chicago” or “Kellogg at Northwestern.”</p>
<p>We also need to get our CAS shirts. Every other school has shirts but CAS. ***?</p>
<p>Lol. I don’t think we need CAS shirts, but maybe Wharton and Engineering people shouldn’t have separated themselves from the rest of the school to begin with. The Wharton and Engineering shirts are basically just like “Hey. I go to UPenn, and not the nursing school.” </p>
<p>I truly believe that if there weren’t a nursing school, we would be more unified. I know it’s awful to say this considering the fact that the nurses do incredible things both nationally and internationally, but why don’t they just be doctors? I mean even on the freshmen podcast, one of the advisors was talking about a painting by Eakins (not “The Gross Clinic”) where there was a nurse and she said: “notice, she’s a nurse…not a doctor” and then the other advisor quickly shut her up because, after all, we’re home to a nursing school.</p>
<p>I don’t think most people outside of Penn even know that there is a nursing school. Wharton has the best brand name at Penn so they market the hell out of it. The tag line of the Wharton store is something like “Where the name/brand matters”</p>
<p>Engineering has a lot of cool events and so does Wharton and Nursing, but they also have more money per undergrad compared to CAS. We just need some cool CAS marketing. Maybe if we had the #1 department in something…</p>
<p>lol. and then if u don’t get a response from amy, u should write an op-ed in the dp about how alums are neglected (unless of course they’re ron perelman)</p>
<p>All my friends at Penn tell me this too… It’s like Wharton and Penn are two different entities (in the eyes of the public). I didn’t know about Penn until my best friend got in. But Penn has done a lot to bring up it’s name… it used to be viewed (about 20 years ago) as a “psuedo-Ivy.” (Don’t flame me for that…)</p>
<p>^and now Cornell is viewed as a psuedo ivy. </p>
<p>It doesn’t help that our name is very similar to a state school and it doesnt help that one of our strongest undergraduate programs markets itself almost separately from the rest of the school. I’ve seen people on CC asking if Wharton students were allowed to take liberal arts courses and other stuff as if it was its own school that had a partnership with Penn. Wharton can do what it wants but Penn needs to work even harder to market itself. Maybe we can pay extra cash to say that Shia went to Penn in Transformers 2. Thats a start.</p>
And where would you rank Penn? I can throw department statistics at you all day and its easy to justify Penn being in the group of schools right after HYPSMC. Whether we’re better than Columbia and Duke, who knows and who cares.</p>
<p>Maybe we suffer in the same way Hopkins does. Penn undergrad = business like Hopkins undergrad = premed. Oh well, hopefully my tuition dollars improves our marketing department.</p>
<p>I honestly don’t think that Penn should outrank Brown, Columbia and Dartmouth when the latter schools are more selective and renowned. USNWR’s methodology doesn’t capture selectivity well or enough and wholly ignores prestige and reputation, which like it or not should be and is a relevant criterion for choosing a college.</p>
<p>The fact that this thread exists suggests that USNWR overrates Penn. If your selectivity rankings mirrored your USNWR rankings, then you wouldn’t be having a problem with marketing, would you?</p>
<p>Penn is also larger than Brown, Colubmia and Dartmouth which leads to a higher acceptance rate. If you look at SAT scores there isn’t really a significant difference.</p>
<p>If you look at UChicago, it isn’t very selective but you’ll be damned if you don’t consider it one of the ten best schools in the country on its academics. Michigan is always regarded as a top 5 public but not too long ago had a 50% acceptance rate. Percentage of applicants rejected doesn’t have anything to do with a school’s quality. It does have to do some with how people view a school, but doesn’t have anything to do with the academics.</p>
<p>Also, US News looks at prestige. With the PA rankings it takes into account how other academics view schools. Penn has top 15 programs in many liberal arts and science programs, is a leader in nanotech, and has kickass professional schools too (top 3 business and med, top 10 law). Dartmouth and Brown lack the graduate and professional school prestige (except Tuck) and Penn is about the same as Columbia on average for academic departments. Whether Penn should be consistenly ranked better than those schools in US News who knows, but with the random fluxuation, they should all at least have a similar average raking of between 7 and 10.</p>