<p>Flagship is usually defined as simply being the largest, best known of the state univerities (hence being the flagship where most of the states students go).</p>
<p>so it would probobly end up being UCLA and the others seem right (I dont know anything about the UNC system). Also UMN:Twin Cities and for states with smaller systems it may simply be something like "University of Iowa"</p>
<p>UNC (@Chapel-Hill) isn't only the biggest on NC, but also the first state school established in the US.</p>
<p><em>sigh</em> I'm starting to think maybe I should have decided to go there... such nice weather!!</p>
<p>If affirmative action is so prevalent (as you make it sound) then why are 1 in 6 black men in jail and all these other statistics being posted. Somethings wrong here. Lets just say that there are more people in jail then college, does the race really matter. Its like a battle of the races going on on this website.</p>
<p>Flagship universities usually are University of [insert state here]</p>
<p>Because AA does not fully compensate for all the other problems that blacks face.</p>
<p>Said it before, will say it again - I really think taht I'm so much luckier to be white and not discriminated against, that, when it comes time for admissions, I don't care if someone "less qualified" gets my seat. If you even made it far enough to apply to the school without it being a joke, then you're doing better than I.</p>
<p>Duh, you are luckier. It is far better and probably easier to get into college than a minority, especially an African American. I would rather be a white person applying to college so I wouldnt have anyone wondering if I made it due to affirmative action. Affirmative Action is not what you are making it seem or my whole hood would be doctors and lawyers. It turns out that caucasians use it as a crutch, not the minorities it was intended for.</p>
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<p>so it would probobly end up being UCLA...
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<p>As the University of California system is incredibly large for a public university system, it is difficult to determine the "flagship" university. However, UC Berkeley is given the title of "flagship" university for the UC because it was the first University of California in the state (established in 1868). It is, however, not the largest. That belongs to UCLA established in 1919 and moved to its Westwood location in 1925.</p>
<p>The UNC system, UNC Chapel Hill would be the flagship (I stand to be corrected). Virginia would be of course the University of Virginia.</p>
<p>UNC Chapel Hill, however, is not the first state school in the U.S. That distinction belongs to the University of Virginia, established by Thomas Jefferson. The oldest university in the nation is Harvard. However, Georgetown University can actually "compete" for that title if it used St. Mary's College founding date (which would beat Harvard by 2 years, I think). However, Georgetown University has the claim to the oldest and first Catholic university.</p>
<p>William & Mary is the oldest public university, founded in 1693. It's the second oldest university in the US. Harvard is the oldest. U Va was founded in 1819.</p>
<p>NSM - I could be wrong, but I thought that W&M was private until quite recently...?</p>
<p>In quickly looking over W&M's site, I don't see anything about its ever being private.</p>
<p>Really, you will find great diversity either at the top ort at the bottom when it comes to us. I don't think location is the issue, because when it comes to black students, those who have the grades will sure apply to Williams College and Cornell even though they're in complete isolation. </p>
<p>Many liberal arts schools, Colby & Bucknell, to name two, have had some pass issues when it came to race. Those colleges, who early on, worked to allow African Americans enroll, like Oberlin, have much respect in the black community. But if your like say, Elmira or Colby, and just started your diversity initiatives yesterday, them you'll have trouble getting those to apply.</p>
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<p>That is an extremely objective remark, an I wont bother in responding to it.</p>
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First of all, most American universities will ALWAYS be primarily white, because there are simply more whites than blacks, laintos, or asians in America, period.
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<p>Are you that sheltered, America now, is less than 50% white. 400 Years of supremacy and inequality are responsible for the lack of African Americans in post-secondary education. If you remove the finances gains from the slavery today, the country would be a much more even playing field.</p>
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This system results in high drop out rates and low graduation rates for minorities, which makes the colleges less disposed to choose those minorities in the future because such low retention rates are bad for their ranking and stats.
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<p>Don't blame the students for that, there something wrong with the school if for instance, only 1/3 of blacks enrolled at UMass Amherst graduate same with Carnegie Mellon, where only 54% graduate.</p>
<p>Meanwhile at Vassar, Amherst, and Mount Holyoke College, the graduation rates for blacks was higher than the graduation rate for whites. Some schools are more sensative to what's going on than others.</p>
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Affirmative Action is not what you are making it seem or my whole hood would be doctors and lawyers. It turns out that caucasians use it as a crutch, not the minorities it was intended for.
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<p>You are right, my sister was the only girl at are school to get into Wellseley, she was also the only black girl who applied, and two girl said "oh, it was just because of affirmative action."</p>
<p>Hello, my sister was 5 in her class, 4of 5 APs, National Honors Society, and her teachers thought she walked on water! When that happens don't fight back, my sister just gave the girls a copy of her resume and straight A transcript and said "this is my affirmative action application, enjoy!"</p>
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<h2>over 70% white</h2>
<p>EDIT: to back up my assertion, and reveal how sheltered YOU are, I offer the following proof:</p>
<p>over 75% white in the year 2000, the number likely slightly lowered now</p>
<p>it will take another 50 years for the NON-HISPANIC white population to reach a minority among all other races combined in America</p>
<p>Have you read any of the projections this year? That census is over 5 years old and is objective when addressing many predicaments.</p>
<p>Bmoreyo,
I have hard time following your logics. You seem so ready to blame the troubles Black Americans faces on others. 1/6 black men in jail because AA didn't work ? or maybe they got in jail for having commit a crime? Back to college admission, you said "It is far better and probably easier to get into college than a minority". Not familiar with your use of the English language, I think you are trying to say it is easier for non-minorities to get into college than minorities. Statistics after statistics have shown under-represented minorities are given more flexibility in consideration due to reduced opportunities and resources.</p>
<p>I understand your pain that AA cuts both ways but it is no white men's crutch. But would you rather AA be suspended so underprivilleged kids are not given the opportunities they deserve ?</p>
<p>Regarding the other poster's comment "If you remove the finances gains from the slavery today, the country would be a much more even playing field.", you mean America's nation building was the direct result of a small number of slaves working in a handful of southern states for less than 50 years before they were freed? The great industrial revolution did not exist or mattered, the great migration to the West did not happen,and the fact we defeated fascism,nazism and communism was a non-factor?</p>
<p>cre8tive1, I'm going to assume that by "objective" you meant "subjective," and you are incorrect--there are many statistics backing up my observation, some of which I have included in this post.</p>
<p>I am not white. But I disagree with affirmative action because I don't believe it's the right way to be getting minorities into colleges and getting them to graduate from those colleges. The problem lies in the high schools, not in the minorities themselves. We need to be focusing on improving high schools, getting test scores up, and creative a encouraging and educational culture even in the lower social classes.</p>
<p>"Financial aid and affirmative action programs are unlikely to increase the number of students in college...because poor academic preparation is the most significant barrier to college attendance."</p>
<p>"But preferences at these selective schools have not increased college access for minorities because most minorities leave high school without the minimum credentials necessary to attend any four-year school...</p>
<p>'Minority underrepresentation in college is caused by public schools' failure to prepare minority students,' writes Gryphon. 'It is a failure that affirmative action does not remedy'...</p>
<p>That is, minority students who are 'bumped up' into selective schools for which they're ill-prepared show poorer academic performance and graduation rates than if they had attended a less selective institution."</p>
<p>Obviously, many minorites ARE qualified, or beyond qualified to attend college--such as someone's sister above, myself, and certainly the original poster. But these people really didn't NEED affirmative action in the first place, did they? By the way, cre8tive1, you seem to be quite offended that anyone would dare assume that affirmative action played a role in your sister's acceptence--but of course it did. If she's a minority, she recieved extra credit, regardless of how stellar her transcript was. Isn't it annoying to think that other people assume she was given a leg up even when she didn't need one? Because of AA benefits, she'll never really know if she really was the most qualified person for the school or job regardless of race. Hmm. Personally, I don't like that thought at all, the thought of people assuming I need help simply because I'm a minority.</p>
<p>I don't believe that affirmative action is the best or even nessecarily a good solution to the problems faced by minority students today.</p>
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<h2>You did not just say slavery lasted for 50 years?!!! The slave trade went on for 400 years and not just in the south. They wre slaves even in Massachusetts at one point.</h2>
<p>How about we not go into the great affirmative action debate because will be here all night, and I have to sleep.</p>
<p>And about my sister, I don't care, because if you look at the class profile at Wellseley's website, she's at the top of the class, I not suggest that here ethnicity was not considered, but I know that alone she was good enough and what those girls said was wrong, thinking she'd get into Wellseley with a 1010</p>
<p>You don't want to go into the debate because you realized you can't defend yourself properly, because there is no excuse for the many, many racial and class issues that AA fails to address.</p>
<p>The slave trade existed all over the world. Even Africans enslaved other Africans. Not that that's excusable, but there is no way AA is going to make up for slavery. In fact, there are many argument that it does more harm than good. For instance, you seem to be quite tired of your sister getting harrassed as being bumped up as a minority. And you should be, because although she undoubtedly recieved some extra consideration, she didn't need it. But she likely could have been far less qualified than other white counterparts and still be accepted. And that thought doesn't seem to appeal to you, so why would you continue to support AA?</p>
<p>All of the HBCU in my area (SC) are absolute jokes. Benedict and SC State are two PERFECT examples. At Benedict, you pass all of your freshman classes if you have perfect attendence regardless of how you do in the class. SC State has a similar policy. How ridiculous is that??</p>