Why is there so much hate for UCLA?

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<p>Berkeley chemical engineering was always my first choice, UCLA Mom. No hard feelings over my rejection. Just here to educate the kids.</p>

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<p>Drax, it’s the principle of the matter regarding the fight song. UCLA has zero originality.</p>

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<p>Well, it helps to have a big population base of millions of people, but it takes much more than that to build a system like the UCs. You also need to the political foresight and a willingness to pay the necessary taxes to build such a system. New York, Texas, and Florida also have very big populations, but as you point out, their flagships are ranked behind the UCs, sometimes behind multiple UCs.</p>

<p>Now with the perpetual CA budget crisis and the prospect of continuing budget cuts, it remains to be seen whether the UCs can keep the quality and rankings up or whether they will slip.</p>

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<p>“Because of CA’s 36 million population, six (6) of the UCs are ranked higher in the USNWR than the highest ranked Flagship in Texas, Ohio, Wisconsin, New York, New Jersey, Washington, Florida, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, etc”</p>

<p>Which is laughable and exposes the USNWR for the commercial entity that it is. UCD, UCI and UCSB ranked higher than Texas-Austin, UIUC and Wisconsin-Madison? Please!</p>

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<p>I seriously doubt that considering the way you constantly criticize UCLA. People will take your posts more seriously if you emphasize the positives about Berkeley rather than whining about UCLA’s mascot and school colors. Because in all your years of “educating the kids” here, you obviously haven’t made a dent in the number of people who apply to UCLA. It keeps rising every year.</p>

<p>In 2005 UCLA had 42,232 applicants, in 2008 there were 55,397, and last year there were 57,651.</p>

<p>Now go do your school proud. :)</p>

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<p>^^^Just check that box on the UC common application next to UCLA and see if you can get in. What have you got to lose? Drawing from a total population of over 37,000,000 in California your odds aren’t real high, but you can brag to everyone that there are over 57,000 people applying to UCLA. In the meantime how many are applying to UC-Merced, 25,000?</p>

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<p>Wow, UCB, you really know how to hurt someone. ; )</p>

<p>Same school colors, CA colors btw, same fight song - > zero originality for the whole school. Uh-huh…</p>

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<p>Some of those same people applied to Michigan on a whim…and, oops, got in. I thought Michigan had a modicum of standard towards admission. I’m still waiting an answer from Alexandre or now you rjkofnovi on the acceptance rate of these [students from PVP](<a href=“http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/penhi/collegeacceptance/collegeacceptance2010.pdf”>http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/penhi/collegeacceptance/collegeacceptance2010.pdf&lt;/a&gt;), page 89. Great school, but I’m wondering what’s going on? 14 accepted unconditionally, three wait-listed, only one rejected. Is Michigan that hurting for oos enrollment that it practically has open-admissions for CA students?</p>

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<p>I’ve seen plenty of people walking around UCLA with USC stuff on. I’ve never seen anyone react in any way.</p>

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<p>On a regular evening there aren’t even many undergrads around on campus. But again, even when people in USC clothing show up for actual sporting events and venture up onto the hill there’s no reaction. </p>

<p>Even supposing your story reflects actual experiences, it’s heavily biased by the subset of the USC student body vs. the subset of the UCLA student body that a typical USC student will tend to come in contact with.</p>

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<p>And yet it’s far from the only pair of “good” schools to have a more than friendly rivalry. I guess this falls more into the category of anti-sports elitism than a specific criticism though. But even Harvey Mudd and Caltech seem to have a pretty icy relationship, and there’s no sports involved there.</p>

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<p>UCLA slightly changed shades after switching from Reebok to Adidas. The idea that UCLA’s switch from one shade of light blue to a different shade of light blue has anything to do with UC Berkeley is what? Total self-absorption? Plain stupidity? You tell me.</p>

<p>I’ve always thought it was weird that people from Berkeley are so hung up on UCLA’s supposed lack of originality. You’d think a school with such an abundance of creative thinking could come up with multiple ideas.</p>

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<p>The answer is False. Before repeating this line for the umpteenth time, it might be worth checking the facts.</p>

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<p>Nice ad hominem attack, UCLA Mom.
Like novi said, I checked the box and added UCLA as well since my Socal CSU didn’t offer chemical engineering…cheap insurance really.</p>

<p>News Flash: Applications have risen for most colleges. It’s a demographic cohort called Tidal Wave II (aka Baby Boomer children).</p>

<p>The majority of my posts are helpful. I’ve never really cared for UCLA. Get over it.</p>

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It all starts with one, lady…here’s an example:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1066140049-post9.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1066140049-post9.html&lt;/a&gt;

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<p>$60. What’s the application fee at Michigan? $40?</p>

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<p>Well, UCLA can brag about it. The people that get rejected move on with their lives.</p>

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<p>12,000</p>

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You be the judge:
[YouTube</a> - UCLA fight song](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg2TLy7W0Oo&feature=related]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg2TLy7W0Oo&feature=related)
[YouTube</a> - California Fight Song](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC_JxwJedYU&feature=related]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC_JxwJedYU&feature=related)</p>

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<p>I’m familiar with the two arrangements and the story behind UCLA’s fight songs. I’m not sure how what you just posted …</p>

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<p>Drax, Michigan may accept a higher percentage of applicants, but the quality of students admitted, yield rate and quality of students enrolled is just as high…if not slightly higher than UCLA. Remember that Michigan activelly tries to recruit students from different parts of the country. I looked over the students who were admitted and admittedly, some were very “average” and would probably not have been admitted under normal circumstances. I assume some were URMs or perhaps given special consideration because of ties forged between Michigan and the schoo. Still, half of them were admitted to other selective schools such as Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, Rice, Swarthmore, UCLA and USC.</p>

<p>At any rate, other than the acceptance rate, Michigan’s admissions statistics are similar to UCLA’s:</p>

<p>ADMITTED STUDENTS:
Percent accepted
Michigan 50%
UCLA 22%</p>

<p>Average SAT
CR: Michigan 675, UCLA 660
Math: Michigan 720, UCLA 700
Writing: Michigan 690, UCLA 680</p>

<p>Average ACT
Michigan 30
UCLA 30</p>

<p>YIELD:
Michigan 40%
UCLA 37%</p>

<p>ENROLLED STUDENTS:
% graduating among the top 10% of HS class
Michigan 92%
UCLA 97%</p>

<p>Mid 50% SAT
Michigan 1830-2130
UCLA 1750-2110</p>

<p>Mid 50% ACT
Michigan 27-31
UCLA 24-31</p>

<p>Of course, one other thing to consider are transfer students. At Michigan, they make up less than 10% of the student body, which is negligible. At UCLA, I have been told that they make up over 20% of the student body. That pretty significant. Are UCLA’s transfer students as strong as regular freshmen admits? The few Michigan transfer students typically are.</p>

<p>At any rate, UCLA and Michigan are both excellent in their own right. I give Michigan a slight edge because it is better off financially (larger endowment and smaller dependence on state appropriations), has a larger OOS and international student body and slightly better undergraduate Engineering and Business programs.</p>

<p>[Office</a> of Undergraduate Admissions: About Michigan](<a href=“http://www.admissions.umich.edu/about/]Office”>Explore & Visit | University of Michigan Office of Undergraduate Admissions)</p>

<p><a href=“Office of Budget and Planning”>Office of Budget and Planning;

<p>[University</a> of California - Freshman admission profile](<a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/campuses/ucla/freshman-profile/index.html]University”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/campuses/ucla/freshman-profile/index.html)</p>

<p>[UCLA</a> Office of Analysis and Information Management | AIM](<a href=“http://www.aim.ucla.edu/cds/cdsForm.asp#cdsC]UCLA”>http://www.aim.ucla.edu/cds/cdsForm.asp#cdsC)</p>

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<p>UCLA wrote a fight song in 1984 - my mistake. But UCLA stole its main fight song “Sons of Westwood” from Cal’s “Big C”.</p>

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<p>UCBChemEGrad, why do you even care so much about the fight song? </p>

<p>Of the many departments UCLA would probably gladly exchange with Berkeley if given the opportunity, the athletic department would not be one of them.</p>

<p>Admittedly, I’m not much of a sports fan, though.</p>

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And Merced only got to that number by preemptively guaranteeing admission to a bunch of students in the mail. -.-</p>

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<p>As strong in high school – no. As strong in college – hard to say. According to one professor I had, transfer students tend to follow a bimodal distribution, without about half centered around a significantly above average GPA and about half centered around a significantly below average GPA. No idea if this is true (he offered no evidence) but it makes sense based on the people I’ve come across.</p>

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<p>Aren’t UC-qualified applicants that get rejected from every UC auto-accepted to Merced even if they don’t apply? Waste of money…</p>

<p>I decided I’d rather transfer out of SMC than go to one of the “worse” UC’s anyway. No reason to apply.</p>

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<p>It’s an adaptation; it’s used in rotation with several other songs that nobody else plays. It’s like other schools using versions of the 8-clap or the frisbee cheer. Seriously, wgaf.</p>

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Ah, well, I am. Hearing a rival’s band on the field playing the same fight song just irks me.
USC fans have asked me why we play UCLA’s fight song…</p>

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<p>Here is the key question, who cares about fight songs? Seriously, that’s pretty sad that a big chunk of the bickering here is premised upon a fight song. I mean, it’s hilarious that someone would make that an argument and it’s even more hysterical that people feel the need to respond to it.</p>

<p>No one cares about a school’s fight song when making a college decision. If they do that’s either sad or really sad.</p>

<p>UCLA and Berkeley are both good schools. This thread is entertaining. I wonder if someone came in here and said that these to Cali-public schools are losing money. Too soon?</p>

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<p>^ True…I agree it’s silly. I brought the fight song up in response to a post that a CCer thought Cornell, Duke and Tufts were trying to be something they’re not but UCLA wasn’t.</p>

<p>No, people will not make a decision about college over a fight song. This is more sports fan, alumni talk.</p>

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<p>I go to Berkeley and I can assure you that there is no hate for UCLA. </p>

<p>It is a prestigious school that is just as selective as my own and I’m happy that both of our institutions occupy the #1 and 2 positions of top public schools.</p>