why isn't USC one of "CC Top Universities" yet?

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<p>I think the “CC Top Universities” is basically a list of universities that have been ranked, at least once in recent years, in the top 25 in the USNWR rankings. Top universities like NYU, Tufts, USC and William and Mary have never been ranked in the top 25, though USC is very close to breaking into the top 25.</p>

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<p>Upon checking my sources, it would seem that Tufts and Wake Forest were both ranked in the top 25 in the last decade or so…so much for my theory! hehe! I guess the folks at CC must draw the line somewhere. I personally agree with the current top universities listed, but I can see how some may demand that other schools be included.</p>

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<p>Don’t kid yourself. It’s Princeton’s club, which it shares with NYU. They are by no means equals in this relationship.</p>

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<p>I wouldn’t be too gung ho about this. Years ago, Harvard, a top universities did not offer Engineering. Today, I think UoC still does not have engineering. Same as Wellesley.</p>

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<p>Harvard did not offer Engineering years ago - yeah, MANY years ago. Harvard founded its first school of engineering in 1847 and has had one ever since.</p>

<p>Also, Wellesley is an LAC, and Engineering is not one of the traditional Liberal Arts. Not just Wellesley, but the vast majority of LACs do not offer engineering to this day. There are only a handful of exceptions - Harvey Mudd College being perhaps the most prominent.</p>

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<p>"We outstripped UCLA five years ago, passed Berkeley two years ago, and are now nipping at the heels of Stanford. Today USC dominates over all competitors in our ability to attract the best students from the best prep schools in California.</p>

<p>All the old USC jokes have died out. We’re no longer the University of Spoiled Children or the University of Second Choice. Instead, USC is now the University of Superior Choice." </p>

<p>(Annual Address to the Faculty, Steven B. Sample, President: University of Southern California 2/06)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.usc.edu/president/speeche...y_address.html[/url]”>http://www.usc.edu/president/speeche...y_address.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Sorry the website may have indicated as such but years ago Harvard only had Computer Science and not engineering.</p>

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See the list of concentration it offers, certainly not very impressive if it has been offering engineering degree since 1847. </p>

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<p>Sorry, but Harvard knows its own history better than you do. It was offering Engineering degrees long before computers were invented:</p>

<p>[Founding</a> & Early Years ? Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences](<a href=“http://www.seas.harvard.edu/our-school/facts-history/history/founding]Founding”>http://www.seas.harvard.edu/our-school/facts-history/history/founding)</p>

<p>Evolving Structure
1904. Harvard President Charles Eliot at the invitation of MIT President Henry S. Pritchett , started negotiations for a merger between the Lawrence Scientific School and MIT. The deal was eventually scuttled due to the protests of faculty, students, and a decision by the Massachusetts courts. </p>

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<li><p>Lawrence Scientific School was dissolved and the undergraduate and graduate programs separated; the graduate engineering program is incorporated into the Graduate School of Applied Science.</p></li>
<li><p>The Harvard Engineering School was established. As is recorded in the President’s Reports for 1917-18, the School was authorized to offer the BSc, MSc, and a doctor’s degree. The immediate cause for the establishment of the School was a decision of the Supreme Judicial Court in 1917, outlawing the arrangements reached with MIT in 1914. As Mr. Lowell wrote in his Annual Report for 1918-19: “[In 1917] negotiations looking to cooperation were proceeding with the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. It was found, however, impossible to reach any agreement mutually satisfactory on the basis of a separate Harvard Faculty, and therefore our School of Engineering has been opened without any connection of this kind.” </p></li>
<li><p>The Harvard Engineering School incorporates graduate-level and professional programs. </p></li>
<li><p>The undergraduate Department of Engineering Sciences’ name changes to the Department of Engineering Sciences and Applied Physics to reflect an increased emphasis on applied physics. </p></li>
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<p>1946-1949. The Graduate School of Engineering merges its faculty with the undergraduate program, (the Department of Engineering Sciences and Applied Physics), into the Division of Engineering Sciences within the Faculty of Arts and Sciences. </p>

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<li><p>The Division of Applied Science is formed from the merger of the Division of Engineering Sciences and the Department of Engineering Sciences and Applied Physics. </p></li>
<li><p>Division of Applied Science name changes to the Division of Engineering and Applied Physics. </p></li>
<li><p>Division of Engineering and Applied Physics’ name is changed to the Division of Applied Sciences. </p></li>
<li><p>Division of Applied Sciences name is changed to the Division of Engineering and Applied Sciences. </p></li>
<li><p>Harvard proposes to transform the Division of Engineering and Applied Sciences into the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences. </p></li>
<li><p>The Harvard Corporation and the Board of Overseers officially ratifies the transition to the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences.</p></li>
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<p>But the below period shows that I was right, which is the period(75-96) that I referred to in my earlier post. Note it kept changing it name because it did not have an engineering department for a long time.</p>

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Your post is proof that Harvard does not really have a Division of Engineering until 1996 otherwise it would have been in the top 10. Otherwise, it has done a lousy job in this field, for not achieving top 10 in engineering graduate or undergraduate. But I don’t believe that is the case. I believe it never actually have an engineering department because the name kept changing back and forth from Engineering and Applied Sciences to just Applied Sciences.</p>

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<p>^^You better call up Harvard and straighten them out. They seem to think they had an engineering school, taught engineering, awarded engineering degrees including advanced degrees, long before 1996. Let those poor guys at Harvard in on your superior knowledge so they can get their facts straight, because they keep posting things like: </p>

<p>[Time</a> Line ? Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences](<a href=“http://www.seas.harvard.edu/our-school/facts-history/history/time-line]Time”>http://www.seas.harvard.edu/our-school/facts-history/history/time-line)</p>

<p>1847
Formation of the Lawrence Scientific School, marking Harvard’s first major effort to provide a formal, advanced education in science and engineering.</p>

<p>1906<br>
Lawrence Scientific School was dissolved and the undergraduate and graduate programs separated; the graduate engineering program is incorporated into the Graduate School of Applied Science.</p>

<p>1918
The Harvard Engineering School was established. As is recorded in the President’s Reports for 1917-18, the School was authorized to offer the B.Sc., M.Sc., and a doctor’s degree. The immediate cause for the establishment of the School was a decision of the Supreme Judicial Court in 1917, outlawing the arrangements reached with MIT in 1914.</p>

<p>1919
One of the most important inventions in broadcasting and telephone came out of the Harvard Engineering School’s Cruft Laboratory, the crystal oscillator invented by George Washington Pierce (Ph.D., 1900), Rumford Professor of Physics and director of Harvard’s Cruft High-Tension Electrical Laboratory. The oscillator enabled a given radio station to stay “fixed” at a proper frequency and allowed multiple telephone calls to occur over a single line.</p>

<p>1934
The Harvard Engineering School incorporates graduate-level and professional programs.</p>

<p>1938
A cyclotron was constructed at the Graduate School of Engineering’s Gordon McKay Engineering Laboratory. Projected to be the largest such operating facility in the world, it was built to support research in biology and medicine as well as physics. In 1942 the cyclotron was sent to Los Alamos.</p>

<p>1942
The undergraduate Department of Engineering Sciences’ name changes to the Department of Engineering Sciences and Applied Physics to reflect an increased emphasis on applied physics.</p>

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<p>They may have but they have stopped offering Engineering starting 1975 and only added Engineering back in 1996. Which was my point in one of my posts that the lack of engineering department did not stop Harvard from being a top school during this period(1975-1996). The timeline you put in your post #110 does not contradict that.
It’s you that I need to straighten out and not Harvard. :D</p>

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<p>^^You are arguing semantics not substance. Harvard did not “discontinue” engineering in 1975 and then add it back in 1996. They only rmerged it with Applied Sciences and renamed the department for a while. In 1975 they didn’t junk their engineering program, fire the professors, and stop the engineering courses. The degrees and courses of study they offered in engineering continued. Similarly, if a school renames its Spanish department to say the Romance Languages department, it doesn’t mean they have discontinued offering Spanish or are no longer training Spanish scholars. Same with Harvard and their Engineering/Applied Science program. To say that Harvard didn’t offer Engineering prior to 1996 is incorrect.</p>