Yeah, they certainly give better financial aid. It is my hope Michigan gets to the point where it can be in the same tier of being generous with financial aid for all students in order to truly attract and retain the best talent.
@yikesyikesyikes umich is working towards giving better financial aid to out of state students but they would have to accept fewer out of state students to make sure they don’t overenroll and there will still be lots of out of state students who will choose an ivy league over umich even if umich did give them great aid. umich is a public university so they will never become as generous as say harvard and princeton but it certainly is better than it was before.
@yikesyikesyikes also as much as umich does want to attract the best talent they have to be careful of their yield rates because many highly talented students would go somewhere else higher over umich and umich still has to make sure they have enough in state people.
Yes @Eeeee127 ,
I agree that they will need to be careful with yield rates. I think with some elbow grease and money, this is possible.
It’s an awesome school for Atheists who prefer to live without God/s, too:)
@yikesyikesyikes Sorry, but if your family income is in the $100-250K range, you really aren’t that needy. Even the Ivies won’t give you grant aid at that level.
If you are OOS and your family income is below $90K, Michigan will meet your full need.
Sorry, but I don’t feel the slightest bit sorry for students in your situation. Indeed, I’d be irritated if they used scarce need-based financial aid resources for a student with a family income over $150K. Financial aid is for those who, without it, would not have the financial resources to attend.
@Eeeee127 I wonder how many times Michigan must say that test scores are not the most important criteria before you decide to listen? In-state candidates are rejected for a variety of reasons. It’s the entire application that is considered.
exlibris97, it is true that Michigan is one of the universities that deemphasizes the importance of standardized tests. However, as the University becomes increasingly selective, ignoring lower test scores is no longer viable.
test scores are considered an important criteria while gpa and course rigor are considered the most important. there are in-state kids who get in at or below the 25th percentile test score but that can be risky so its safer to aim for at least the 75th percentile.
WOW-Eclibris97–listen to you! Judgmental exlibris…determining who is needy and who isn’t-
and WHO cares if you feel sorry for someone. What do you bring to the table? If you feel sorry for someone…will you help pay for their tuition ? and why consider 100K not needy, but 90K will be a full need situation? Put you down as a DOLT —and I hope you are irritated.
Actually, Ivies often will offer grant aid at those income levels (please refer to their financial aid calculators).
@yikesyikesyikes From experience, working there and with families attending Ivies, you can obtain some aid but it will not be substantial.
@exlibris97 are you disputing the aid by income level listed from Princeton’s own site? https://admission.princeton.edu/who-qualifies-aid
@ccsouth Apply to Princeton and find out is all I can say. Or speak to current students.
@yikesyikesyikes Yes, they offer aid but not huge amounts. And each Ivy is different, including how they treat assets etc. I’m not disputing that people can get aid, but for a number of years I fielded scores of calls from middle and higher-income families expressing “shock” that they weren’t given more grant aid. That’s all I’m saying.
@GenCuster First, there must be a cut-off somewhere. And all I was saying is that if you work for universities and in financial aid and admissions, there isn’t a lot of sympathy for families with incomes at the $150k level. You don’t have to believe me–call their financial aid offices or speak to current families and see what they say.
I’m not being judgmental but simply stating facts. Increasingly, universities are focusing aid on the “most needy” students. American University even has an entire article about this on their website.
@Eeeee127 I didn’t say that test scores were a criteria but if you read they many posts here from students with very high SAT scores who were deferred or not admitted, you will see that they obviously are not the determining factor. Ignoring the holistic nature of admissions can result in tears. That’s all i was saying.