<p>That is true, just for my D she didn't want a greek campus, but doesn't disparage those that do...just not for her</p>
<p>and not transferable, objective is not what I would say you were, after reading all your other posts about some wonderful school, your comments are meaningless</p>
<p>I just went to a Jesuit College Fair today, some really amazing schools with so much variety, but with that same foundation</p>
<p>Yes, motherdear, I understand that. But a lot of Jesuits schools have chosen to opt out of the Greek life for varying reasons, some of them prefering to retain only honorary societies like Phi Beta Kappa, the national History honorary, the national Psychology honorary, etc.</p>
<p>Many fraternities and sororities do good things, particularly public service. But sadly, many of them are little more than party houses and socialites. Its not a value judgement by me (or my D). In fact, she strongly considered two offers at schools that have a large Greek life and would have likely pledged/rushed at a sorority for service. But ultimately the Jesuit aspect of life called to Fordham. </p>
<p>A good friend of mine's brother went to Creighton and Creighton Law and then spent 30 years at FBI.</p>
<p>My D did not apply to any schools in Chicago or Milwaukee, which had more to do with weather than anything.
Her choice.</p>
<p>I tried to get her look at Villanova, but ultimately she had pared down her list to 6-8 schools and it wasnt on her list to visit or apply. Ditto for nearby Bucknell.</p>
<p>citygirlsmom:</p>
<p>Yes, my D is having a good time. But she put off laundry too late and was up late last night doing it....lol. At least its free at Fordham! But so far really likes everything.</p>
<p>The boys are on her like flies, however, and I just advised her to be slow and cautious....wait and see how they are and how they behave over a few months. No hurry on that, although going out in groups is a good thing and just having a good time (movies in Westchester County, riding the Metro North, going to football games, etc.) </p>
<p>My D has a couple of friends at Vandy and two friends at Tufts this year. Both excellent schools...but very different. I truly hope all her friends have a great experience in college and I am sure they all will. She has a close friend at Princeton as well.
...who beat Fordham in Cross Country and Water Polo over the weekend I see. And Brown beat Fordham in mens' soccer. But you gotta give Fordham the high fives for going after these guys! I heard Fordham had 4,000 people at Coffey Stadium on Saturday night in their loss to Albany. Not exactly the 100 people in the stands that someone suggested earlier.
For a small school in 1-AA that is not too shabby. That is one thing that Fordham could do to improve its visibility around the country.....get into Division 1-A (which I think they have renamed the Bowl Division, or something like that). That is what catapulted BC to higher rankings.</p>
<p>It's always been my understanding that Fordham, and most Catholic universities, don't have frats or sororities because the Church discourages members from swearing an oath to a secret society. Same reason Catholics are discouraged from joining the Masons. I don't have time to check, but could it be that the Catholic schools that are Greek are unofficially so? Meaning, off campus and not officially recognized by the univeristy? I could be wrong, but I've heard this so many times over the years (I'm a Fordham alum) that I've always considered it true.</p>
<p>Actually, to my previous point, I did a general google search (catholic universities fraternities) and this was my first hit:</p>
<p>Outlines lots or reasons but addresses the issue of secret socities at about the half-way mark.</p>
<p>The schools I mentioned officially recognize their fraternities and sororities. Click around on Campus Life areas of the school.edu websites and you will find the Greek Life page.</p>
<p>Georgetown apparently has underground fraternities but I did not include them because GLOs are unrecognized by the university. You will not find the GLOs linked on the G'town website.</p>
<p>I do a lot of hiring directly from colleges on behalf of my firm. I have a daughter who is a junior in high school, a very good student, who is now beginning to consider high schools. I suggested Fordham to her although it is not ranked in US News as high as other schools in which she has expressed an interest. She is actually the one who called this forum to my attention.</p>
<p>The reason I suggested Fordham is because my firm has always had great results when we have hired Fordham graduates. They tend to work hard, are well prepared, and are well rounded in other disciplines. Although we hire from the school of business administration, we are always impressed by the fact that Fordham graduates can hold their own in conversations about the arts, history, literature, etc. We believe this results from the core curriculum at Fordham that requires extensive exposure to the liberal arts even in the business school.</p>
<p>Honestly, we have hired from Emory too. But the Fordham kids seem to do better. Maybe it's harder to get into Emory but I'm more interested in what's coming out.</p>
<p>Hiawatha sounds like a typical troll with no efforts of masking. I'm sure there are some CUNY students who perform better than Harvard students in the workforce. Do you therefore deduce that CUNY offers a superior education than Harvard? Your logic is flawed and suspect at best.</p>
<p>Hiawatha:</p>
<p>Many thanks for that post. Fordham has been a sort of jewel of New York that was hidden and in the shadow of NYU and Columbia for years...but they recruited heavily under the radar from superb private and catholic high schools in the NewYork, New Jersey, and Connecticut suburbs and to some extent in Philadelphia and Boston (from the Jesuit Preps there). Now they are recruiting heavily outside the area with more than 70 kids this year accepted and attending Fordham from California, some from Texas, Washington State, Illinois, Wisconsin, the Carolinas, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Maine, on and on. The secret is out: Fordham is a superb school.</p>
<p>I heard from my D this am. She is absolutely having the time of her life. Academically, socially, spiritually. She said, "I made the right choice". And she had PLENTY of other choices...not to brag, but its just a fact.</p>
<p>She has met someone of very similar interests and caliber.....and character. Don't know if they will hit it off or not, but for now they are coffee mates and going to mass together.</p>
<p>I would never ever denigrate another schools academics. That is not only poor form and rude, it is often just simply wrong. I may or may not be correct on perceptions I formed from experience or other's anecdotal commentary. Emory is a superb...and I mean SUPERB school. Frankly, I have questions for that person who was denigrating Fordham and says he transferred to Emory. Big questions. But its simply not worth my time and energy to engage him anymore. He showed his true colors on another thread that were really rather nasty. Its clear he did not fit at Fordham and Fordham is better off without people like that. If indeed he is at Emory, which I wonder about, then I hope he finds his way, matures and that Emory has a positive impact on his outlook on life.</p>
<p>I am a professional. When I have participated in recruitment and hiring, I look FIRST for character. I presume, since they got in the door, that they have the mental horsepower to do the job. What I want to know is who they are as people and how they will conduct themselves under stress and when the chips are down. Anyone who berates a former employer or boss is automatically disqualified, I terminate the interview and usher them out the door. Period. One can say politely, "we had a difference of opinion on direction or responsibilities." That says it all and move on. No need to bash anyone.</p>
<p>My D is happier than I have seen her in years. And I mean that. I am hopeful it continues for four years. I told her, I was so happy as an undergrad I never wanted to leave! (not Fordham) And that I hoped she had a similar experience.</p>
<p>My hopes is that your daughter will also apply, be accepted, and attend Fordham University. Character counts. Big time.</p>
<p>God bless.</p>
<p>Did Hiawatha join just to post that? Honestly, I don't believe that you're a hiring manager at a top firm, if this is your first post...I could be wrong though.</p>
<p>Really, I'd be hard pressed to find a HR person from NYC that would be more impressed by a Fordham grad versus one from the likes of NYU or any other top LAC or University.</p>
<p>For comparison purposes, think about what the average NYU student thinks of kids from Fordham - you should see my point.</p>
<p>Denigrating another school's academics? Fordham's average SAT scores speak for themselves...no need for me to step in.</p>
<p>Greg,
This has gone on long enough. Stop it. You're carrying on a one-person, vendetta against this school. My advice is to move forward. You're at Emory now, and that's where you should be focusing all of your energy. I cannot even begin to understand why you're investing so much energy here! "Concern troll" comes to mind.</p>
<p>This is the first and only time I will address your posts. You touched a nerve when you claimed that Fordham students aren't capable of intellectual discussion. What a childish and arrogant assertion! I'm a graduate, my husband is a graduate, and our son is a sophomore at RH. Either you never met him and the other students of his calibre, or you've built such a wall of inferiority around yourself that nobody could see past it. My son had SATS that opened the door for him at quite a few schools that are ranked higher than Fordham. His GPA was 4.0+, and his class rank (full IB diploma, BTW) was probably higher than the typical Fordham applicant. And he turned down other schools (including a offer from highest-rated undergrad journalism program in the country...you do the research) so that he could go to Fordham AND be in NYC. What's really sad is that you'd probably have liked my son if you had let your guard down long enough to see past your stereotypes and the generalizations. He's nothing like the portraint of the typical Fordham student that you've painted -- nor are any of his many friends. None of whom are from the tri-state area, I might add. </p>
<p>So Greg-ster, move along. And to everyone else: if we ignore him, he'll leave! I used to tell my kids when they'd bicker with each other that it takes two people to argue, and that's certainly the case here.</p>
<p>Agreed McScot. And for what its worth, my D had pretty high scores as well and a great gpa from an unbelievably competitive public high school where the top 25% got into Ivy League Schools, some of the most respected LAC's in the country and sent more than 40 kids to the state university which is a top 10 school. She is a gifted musician who won many state awards. She had schools begging her to come, and in fact, NYU was on her likes flies on a picnic ham for over six months but she did not apply because she preferred a campus setting, smaller school, and the warmth of the student body at Fordham, not to mention the Jesuit influence. She turned down some prestigious scholarships elsewhere. I tell you this not to brag, but to emphasize to our erstwhile bashers, that Fordham is indeed attracting and enrolling some very smart kids with amazing character and skills.</p>
<p>I hope your son gets to meet my D some day. She placed so high in French she is in a class with nearly all seniors.</p>
<p>are those "people" still at it, badmouting fordham, I almost think they are really just one person</p>
<p>and I must say, NYU students didn't strike me as the kind that would put down other students just because they went to a diifferent school, something some Emory students seem to need to do, for what reason, maybe to feel like they matter, eh</p>
<p>My D also had choices, but Fordham had it all for her</p>
<p>SHe had no interest in living in the south, just tnot for her, but she bad mouth anyone who chose the south, nope</p>
<p>Admittedly, saying the truth in some circumstances may be tactless, but as long as it is indeed the truth its not badmouthing or bashing.</p>
<p>you still here?</p>
<p>I didn't join to post on this thread. I actually joined several weeks ago and yesterday was my first post.</p>
<p>When I speak about Fordham graduates, I am speaking based on years of experience and observation. They do well here, move up, or move on and do well at their new firms. This isn't a case of one graduate of a CUNY school outperforming a single Harvard graduate.</p>
<p>I couldn't care less if you say Fordham's SATs speak for itself. </p>
<p>I don't give a damn what some applicant got on his SAT. And, if five years after taking the SAT, you're in my office telling me about your SAT score on your resume, you will be given a friendly escort to the door. </p>
<p>Greg and non-transferable, let me give you a little advice. You talk a lot about things you know nothing about. Honestly, this is typical of kids we get from "top 25" schools. You guys are so impressed with yourselves -- when you really know nothing. I don't know how often we get someone from Emory or a similar school who is more than willing to tell me how to perform my job rather -- when they don't even know how to do their own. That arrogance can be fatal to you on your first job.</p>
<p>P.S. -- What do NYU grads think of Fordham grads? That makes me laugh. I'm a NYU graduate and I'm hopeful my daughter gets in there. But if not, Fordham is an excellent alternative.</p>
<p>It's really funny how this thread spun out to four pages mostly due to the me pointing out the obvious fact that the premise of this thread, Fordham should be an Ivy,* is stunningly absurd*. </p>
<p>It's even funnier when I provide lots of specific reasons supporting my claim, and all people can do is call me "an arrogant and bitter Emory student".</p>
<p>Hiawatha - at least you are realistic in terms of how schools such as NYU stack up against Fordham. But I ask you this: How would it be possible that your daughter's safety school (fordham) would be academically as good as her match (NYU), when they have two very different leagues of admissions standards? Certainly, having graduated from NYU will be regarded a bit higher than a degree from fordham...I wish her good luck :)</p>
<p>I actually typed a post to gregstar, but why bother? not worth any of our time....Fordham is lucky he left....glad my D doesn't have to deal with someone who is like that</p>
<p>Unfortunately the posters in this thread glorify Fordham in a way that shows desperation. The upside is that it appears the school has a lot of spirit which will help it accomplish goals (if this is an accurate portrayal of student and alum perception).</p>
<p>I'm not surprised that the mods had to delete citygirlsmom's post again...which shouldn't surprise anyone.</p>
<p>When you stop making personal attacks, they'll stop deleting your posts - really, it's that simple.</p>
<p>@ not transferable:</p>
<p>There isn't a lot of school spirit at Fordham - it does have a very large population of commuting students, and attendance at basically all sporting events is sparse. You can also see this in the fact that Fordham isn't exactly dripping in alumni donations...</p>
<p>It is pleasant, however, to see that Fordham's admin is actively trying to make the school a better place - which should be the goal of all colleges.</p>