Why So Tough on OOS Applicants?

[ArtemisDea]

<p>Babytitan-- Honestly, I don’t care about Thorp’s vision of UNC, only the founding principles of the school. I don’t think you’ll find any references to “serving the citizens of international communities” in UNC’s founding documents. </p>

<p>Secondly, you still didn’t answer my inquiry as to when a NC university gets too good, too prestigious on a national level and should stop serving its citizens. Honestly, that’s the most distressing part of your post for me, that NC citizens should only be allowed “as free as practicable,” preferential access to mediocre, not exceptional, universities.</p>

[ThoughtProvoking]

<p>ArtemisDea, I think UNC-Chapel Hill still has a fundamental obligation to the state of North Carolina and to the people of North Carolina. But Chapel Hill fulfills that covenant in far more ways that providing education to a select few students each year. Indeed, if educating students was all that Chapel Hill did for the state, most taxpayers would be getting a raw deal for their money since so few individuals end up at UNC-Chapel Hill anyways.</p>

<p>Educating students is a significant and central part of UNC’s service to the state - it’s just not the only one. Chapel Hill also brings in significant research money and serves as an engine for innovation, entrepreneurship, and jobs for the state. And these goals are very compatible with attracting out-of-state talent to the university. </p>

<p>Also, I do think it is relevant that other UNC-system schools receive far less federal funding than Chapel Hill does. Every taxpayer in the nation provides funding that subsidizes UNC-Chapel Hill, and collectively, these subsidies are almost as large as those from NC taxpayers ([source](<a href=“http://www.unc.edu/finance/fd/c/docs/2010_cafr.pdf]source[/url]”>http://www.unc.edu/finance/fd/c/docs/2010_cafr.pdf)</a>).</p>

<p>Discussing the cost of out-of-state students, KJCUNC said:</p>

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@KJCUNC

And there is no such thing as a “full paying” OOS student since the tuition that is charged these students is supplemented by the tax paying citizens of the State of NC.

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<p>This is inaccurate. From the [News</a> & Observer](<a href=“http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/03/06/1032674/out-of-state-fees-still-low-at.html#ixzz1Ixjk6gq0]News”>http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/03/06/1032674/out-of-state-fees-still-low-at.html#ixzz1Ixjk6gq0):

@News & Observer

Out-of-state tuition covers the full cost of a student’s education, so North Carolina taxpayers don’t subsidize nonresidents. Those out-of-state students often make a splash. Many are athletes and student leaders. Several in recent years have been student body president, as were 10 of the university’s last 12 Rhodes Scholars.

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[KJCUNC]

<p>Hey keepittoyourself, that was no claim on my part, just fact… You want to stay misinformed, have at it.</p>

[smbsmom]

<p>“In today’s interconnected world, our traditional mission of serving the citizens of North Carolina now extends to serving the people of the world.Bringing the world to UNC-Chapel Hill and extending UNC-Chapel Hill out into the world are at the core of UNC’s global enterprise.” UNC-CH web site</p>

<p>Artemis: I think the passion of your argument comes from wanting to see continued an enrollment approach that keeps UNC-CH accessible and affordable to NC citizens. That’s fine. But to bluntly say that UNC ONLY has a responsibility to NC citizens and to go on to honestly say that you don’t care about [Chancellor] Thorp’s (global) vision for UNC . . . well, that makes you sound uncharacteristically close minded and provincial. And coming across as close minded and provincial on this particular topic, in my opinion, only strengthens the case of those pushing for UNC to open up some. Certainly your ideas were broadened by venturing away from NC and attending prep school in the northeast with students from different parts of the country and world. I don’t think the agenda of those wanting to see the 18% cap on OOS students eased some at UNC is anymore complicated or sinister than a belief that geographic diversity adds richness for all. But, yes, it butts up against the founders’ firm commitment to the people of NC, and there’s the rub. The good news for you is that I don’t think the 18% cap is apt to budge in any century soon!</p>

[keepittoyourself]

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Hey keepittoyourself, that was no claim on my part, just fact… You want to stay misinformed, have at it.

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<p>Are you sodding serious? Why don’t you show me the evidence for this fact of yours? I’m not doubting it, but I remain to be convinced.</p>

<p>I don’t want to stay misinformed, I want you to inform me.</p>

[KJCUNC]

<p>TP, granted N and O article states OOS tuition covers full cost of student’s education, but nowhere does the author substantiate said claim.</p>

<p>Go to the address below and read the last sentence on the page:</p>

<p><a href=“https://acm.rti.org/tuition/index.cfm[/url]”>https://acm.rti.org/tuition/index.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;