Will Cal always be ranked higher than UCLA?

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Berkeley
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<p>What is your opinion? please, if you can, provide evidence to support your statements.</p>

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<p>Pretty much; Berkeley is the flagship UC. The UCOP puts most of its eggs in the Berkeley basket when it comes to graduate school. They have already devoted a good chunk of their research resources to Berkeley.</p>

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<p>Yes. (10char)</p>

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<p>what is ucop?</p>

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<p>Honestly, yes. As much as I love UCLA, I think in terms of academics, UCB will be ranked higher than UCLA. However, I think UCLA has the better mix of students.</p>

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<p>I don’t think you can take it for granted given how close UCLA and Cal are in terms of prestige…</p>

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<p>i dont think so.</p>

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<p>the question is quite vague, but I’ll take a shot at it.</p>

<p>What’s the chances Cal’s undergrad will be outranked by UCLA? Not sure. It’s no secret to anybody in Cal that the undergrad education has a lot of flaws from huge classes to lack of dorming and etc. I’m not sure how prevalent these same problems are in UCLA, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the quality of undergrad education at UCLA surpasses in Cal at some point in the future.</p>

<p>On the other hand, Cal’s graduate and professional schools are literally world-class and a notch above UCLA’s graduate schools in general. So, maybe and no. Cal’s graduate programs will likely remain the UC’s best research center, but the undergraduate program does need some serious improvements.</p>

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<p>^
agree. i think la’s undergrad may beat out cal’s in the future if cal doesn’t make changes.</p>

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<p>what kind of changes must be made?</p>

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<p>bump…</p>

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<p>no, this year according to the world news and reports, UCLA beat Cal for the first time.</p>

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<p>I believe you are mistaken. They have some screwy world ranking that says that, but that is not focusing on the same types of factors that all their past rankings focused on; this is a new side thing they are making, some UCLA ■■■■■ one time was flaunting it.
[World’s</a> Best Colleges and Universities: Top 200 - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-colleges/2008/11/20/worlds-best-colleges-and-universities-top-200.html]World’s”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-colleges/2008/11/20/worlds-best-colleges-and-universities-top-200.html)
And also this is only undergraduate level.</p>

<p>Berkeley still beats out UCLA
[National</a> Universities Rankings - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/national-search]National”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/national-search)</p>

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<p>one of them says that berkeley is rank 38 in the world and UCLA ranked 30. haha you just disproved yourself. anyways, in my opinon they are both equall. Berk has been around longer</p>

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<p>how did they compile the “screwy” international rankings? It does seem weird that Stanford ranks lower than JHU, or that NW is about the same as UCLA (and not to mention the fact that UCLA is ranked considerably higher than CAL)</p>

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<p>learn to read SimplySymphony, he explained that it was screwy.</p>

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<p>world ranking: UCLA 30th, Cal 38th
US news ranking: Cal 21th UCLA 25th
It seems like both are pretty much similar for undergrad.</p>

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<p>Here are the methodologies of the normal rankings
[How</a> We Calculate the Rankings - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2008/08/21/how-we-calculate-the-rankings.html]How”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2008/08/21/how-we-calculate-the-rankings.html)</p>

<p>The World ranking has a completely new methodology.</p>

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<p>UCLA has a lower total admit rate than Cal by about 5% (this year, according to both school’s websites, UCLA admitted 21.7% for the Class of 2013, and Cal admitted 26.6%, due to both Spring and Fall offers). Considering that UCLA has made these gains in about half the amount of time that Cal has (since it’s much newer), I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future, at some point, UCLA is considered slightly more prestigious.</p>

<p>Then again, IMO, prestige is WAY over-rated and just unnecessary. A school should be defined by the quality of education, not by a percent or ranking.</p>

<p>[UCLA</a> admits 12,098 freshman students for fall 2009 / UCLA Newsroom](<a href=“http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ucla-admits-12-098-freshmen-students-87095.aspx]UCLA”>Newsroom | UCLA)
[04.07.2009</a> - Almost 13,000 high school students offered admission to UC Berkeley](<a href=“http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2009/04/07_admissions.shtml]04.07.2009”>04.07.2009 - Almost 13,000 high school students offered admission to UC Berkeley)</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.ucop.edu/news/factsheets/2009/fall_2009_admissions_table_4.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ucop.edu/news/factsheets/2009/fall_2009_admissions_table_4.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
The dirty little secret is that Cal has been “easier” to get into (I quote easier, because neither of the two is easy to get into) because Cal offers spring admission.</p>

<p>Fall admission rates jump around a bit

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<p>For Fall 06, Berkeley was “easier” to get into; for Fall 07, UCLA was “easier” to get into, dunno about Fall 08, but now for Fall 09 Cal is “easier”.</p>

<p>For ranking procedures they do not look at Spring Semester or Winter Quarter admissions when calculating ranks, so it is a nice way for Berkeley and UCSD to get in more people without hurting their ranks.</p>