Will I fit in at Oberlin?

<p>Hello!</p>

<p>So, I had a question about Oberlin. Obviously, it has a pretty large reputation for being both "liberal" and "unique." So, I was just wondering if I'd fit in/be accepted/ feel comfortable at Oberlin. Please keep in mind that regardless of all these following things about me, I am generally tolerant towards others' views. Here are a few things about myself:</p>

<p>1) I am a conservative and have strong political views, though they are not a HUGE part of my life.
2) I do play football; I play for the sheer enjoyment and am looking to be able to play with other people who find it important while still concentrating on my studies.
3) I am pretty much a hippie's worst nightmare: I fish, hunt, own firearms, don't care that much about the environment, will buy stuff from Walmart if it is cheap, and drive an SUV.
4) I often wear what people may call "preppy" clothes. A&E, Hollister, Banana Republic, etc.
5) I often get annoyed with hypocrisy regarding how to think: i.e., a person who constantly preaches tolerance, yet attacks conservatives' views as wrong, idiotic, etc.
6) I am a Christian and nothing annoys me more than Religious intolerance and being condescending regarding faith.
7) Though I am often considered a jock, I love to read literature and am something of a writer myself.
8) While I am opinionated regarding my views, I will respect those of others if mine are respected.</p>

<p>So, would I fit in at Oberlin?</p>

<p>First of all,given how much you know about yourself and how much you know about Oberlin,it seems as though you are the polar opposite of what Oberlin is.But then again,opposites attract…</p>

<p>I’ll just address some of the things you raised,according to the way you numbered them.</p>

<p>2.)Football-you mention that you want to play football with people who regard it as “important”.I don’t know if football is a high priority in the minds of Obies,who are probably more concerned with topical issues around politics,environmental sustainability etc.I therefore don’t think that most people think football is as important as it may be to you.Which brings me to your next point.
3)I will reiterate that environmental sustainability and issues surrounding that are an important marker of Oberlin students from what I have observed.Obies seem to care a lot about the World and are especially sensitive to sustainability issues.I don’t therefore think that citing hunting and fishing as your top activities for fun will make you too popular with people who are fighting to see the reverse happen.I don’t think those firearms will be shooting any albino squirrels in Oberlin.
4)I don’t think anyone will be terribly concerned with your dress sense.I believe Oberlin is all about individuality,so this will be your means of self expression
5.)You have made the assumption that a person who believes in tolerance and open mindedness will automatically loathe and attack someone for being conservative.I don’t think this is the case at all.
6.)Again,just because someone is liberal doesn’t mean that they will have a condescending attitude towards people who are religious.And there are Christians at Oberlin who are very spiritually active.
7.)Most people read and write.You won’t stand out for that.</p>

<p>Sounds like you’d be a better fit at a Dartmouth or a Lehigh. You don’t sound very Obie at all.</p>

<p>Hi, Lite!
I wrote you a detailed reply in Post #6 of your other thread:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1078572-not-your-typical-kenyon-oberlin-applicant-will-i-fit.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1078572-not-your-typical-kenyon-oberlin-applicant-will-i-fit.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I don’t think Lite the Couch is serious about Oberlin. I think he’s just having fun. His self-description would fit a lot of LACs perfectly: Washington & Lee, Bucknell, Lafayette, even Davidson. Lehigh University is not an LAC, but he would love it there.</p>

<p>I find it both humorous and insulting that people think I am ■■■■■■■■ or not serious. I visited Oberlin and loved the atmosphere. The campus was great, and the few students I met (it was during break), and I love the academic opportunities, especially considering I plan to attend a top tier law school. I should reiterate: I just want to know if, because I am this type of person, will I receive any hostility or distain?</p>

<p>The students I met were courtious*</p>

<p>FWIW, [Michelle</a> Malkin](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Malkin]Michelle”>Michelle Malkin - Wikipedia) is a graduate of Oberlin. You might also try emailing a few members of the [Oberlin</a> College Republicans](<a href=“http://www.oberlin.edu/stuorg/ocr/]Oberlin”>http://www.oberlin.edu/stuorg/ocr/) to get their take on it as well.</p>

<p>“FWIW, Michelle Malkin is a graduate of Oberlin.”
Yes, and, from things I read, I got the sense that she really didn’t like the people there all that much. Husband aside. She went there for piano and that didn’t work out for her. If she were going for a straight LAC, absent the piano, I doubt Oberlin would have been her choice, all things considered.</p>

<p>I dont think anyone will be hostile or disdainful because of who you are.Oberlin prides itself in being a very accepting and tolerant enviroment.But given your political persuasions and hobbies like hunting you will probably be involved in more than your fair shair of debates.But isnt that what college is all about,exposing yourself to new ideas and being challenged by your peers?It may do you more good to attend a school that will shake you up a bit than slide into one where you will fit right in(and therefore come out of not having learnt a lot about yourself)</p>

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<p>Prepare to be annoyed—a lot. Just keep in mind that it is a two-way street. Plenty of classmates will be annoyed by your views.</p>

<p>My D considered a couple of conservative schools, including Lehigh. She even visited—three times, the second time at their request, the third just for one final look (the campus is close to home). Then she pulled aside some URMs who were current students for a private conversation, away from the ears of the A.O.'s. Turns out they were all there ONLY because Lehigh made each one a scholarship offer they couldn’t refuse–their families were poor. Not one was happy at Lehigh. Too much history with racial problems and center-right politics.</p>

<p>It’s better to go where you fit in. Like MonyDad said, Michelle Malkin was originally a Connie (conservatory student). She never would’ve gone to Oberlin otherwise.</p>

<p>But if you’re serious, go ahead and apply. The college might change you. Michelle Malkin’s husband grew up in Berkley, California on Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard. Somehow his experience at Oberlin turned him into a right winger. Go figure.</p>

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<p>It’s especially funny to see that accusation coming from Plainsman who frequently ■■■■■■ the Washington & Lee thread where he is indeed

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<p>He does this without any provocation – just crashes or creates threads with baseless insults under the false pretense of being interested in the school. And now he has the nerve to suggest that’s what you’re doing? Wow, that’s rich Plainsman, very classy of you. I guess it does take one to know one, right? </p>

<p>Lite, my suggestion is that if you saw Oberlin firsthand and really liked what you saw there, then don’t let the liberal stereotypes put you off. You sound like you know yourself very well. I would also guess you know what you like and the kind of environment you want to live in over the next 4 years. You have to remember that while there might be some prevailing beliefs on campus, you will still find people there of various stripes and other persuasions; just a more obvious minority of them perhaps. </p>

<p>I also agree with macmill. Not everyone has the fortitude to withstand holding or presenting viewpoints counter to the majority, but if you do, and you also enjoy it, your time at Oberlin might be a lot of fun. Not to mention the fact that you might offer some perspectives to bring about lively discussion which is what college is about. Going where everyone thinks the same as you – there’s no challenge in that. Unfortunately, unlike you, there are lots of parents and students selecting schools these days with the hope of avoiding that scenario. They think “fit” means going to a place where most people think the same as them. How boring…</p>

<p>Nice try, FLVADAD, it is what it is. Just visit C<em>O</em>L<em>L</em>E<em>G</em>E<em>P</em>R<em>O</em>W<em>L</em>E*R and see what W&L students have to say about the place. I’ve simply repeated what some current students say about the school. Do you know more than they do? Deal with it.</p>

<p>I thing Macmill’s response to each of the OP’s original list is spot on. But you have a very narrow definition of the word “fit.” Just because Oberlin has a predominately liberal culture, or liberal politics are dominant within the student body, doesn’t mean people think alike. Fit also has to do with feeling included. How do people in society select their fraternal organizations, clubs or political parties? How do most people even select the neighborhoods they want to live in, to raise their children in, if money is not a limiting factor? They join or move where they believe they will fit in, where there are things and people they think they will like and get along with. Sure, I’ve known some kids who deliberately or unknowingly enrolled in a college or university where the campus culture was opposite of their personal views and values. They heard different perspectives and had some great debates, but they were also miserable, and grew detached from their alma mater from the day they graduated. They couldn’t care less about their alma mater, remember all the miserable times, donate nothing to the college, and feel embarrassed for having gone there in the first place. Michelle Malkin appears to be one of those people. </p>

<p>And I’m another one. </p>

<p>My alma mater is a well-known, conservative, private Catholic university. Back in the 70s it was even more conservative, and racial diversity was non-existent unless you were a basketball player or on some other NCAA team. I was a non-athlete, non-white, liberal-leaning kid who had no idea the school I enrolled in was so conservative it was on the FBI’s top ten list for recruiting. I was the “only” in almost all of my classes. Classmates wouldn’t speak to me even BEFORE they knew any of my political views. I dressed differently, drove a different kind of car, came from a different family background, was myself a different “color”, and had different political views. Fortunately, I eventually met a couple of other people with whom I “fit in,” but only a couple. My parents couldn’t advise me before I applied to college because they didn’t attend and knew nothing about college, and this was, of course, pre-Internet age. </p>

<p>I vowed to make sure my kids would make their own college decisions but not without me weighing in and making sure they made their decisions based on their own definition of “fit in.” But “fit” is important, be it academics, social life, or career aspirations. </p>

<p>People say college is the best four years of a young person’s life. It can be, but only if he or she makes the right decision. Where is their heart? And what and how much do they know about a school unrelated to its academic reputation? </p>

<p>My Obie daughter has thanked me for helping her avoid making what she now believes would’ve been a massive mistake had she enrolled in the conservative, Greek-dominated school, with a predominately center-right culture, that pursued her and that she initially found tempting in a “I’ll change THEM with my views” way. She loves being amongst so many other young people with whom she “fits in” even though they don’t think alike.</p>

<p>I think if Litethe Couch wants to go to OBerlin, he should, and he will be welcomed there, but be honest and thoughtul about what will make him happy. That’s all.</p>

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<p>Nope, none of that has anything to do with your childish behavior on those threads. You want to debate culture, conservatism, liberalism, etc.? That’s fine. Lay it all out with someone who cares. But that’s not what you’re doing. You’re just ■■■■■■■■, bating, and antagonizing others for sport. No discussion - just you being nasty, condescending, and intentionally obtuse. </p>

<p>Thing is, every once in a while, in other threads, you offer some insightful comments. Yet, for some reason you have chosen the W&L forum to revert back to adolescence. My issue with you has nothing to do with your opinion about any college - we all have our opinions, that’s fine. But no, I don’t think it’s appropriate for you to go out of your way to covertly poison a student’s thread on the basis of your personal ideological issues with the student body, whether real or imagined. You don’t like W&L? Fine, say so as much as you please, but at least be a grown up about it. I’m not calling you out for having an opinion, I’m calling you out for your shameless, unwarranted antagonism of 17 year olds and prospectives. You want a debate about W&L? Fine, go ahead and try me in a PM. I’ll give you all you can handle plus some. Better yet, start your own thread (a genuine one, not the fake one where you pretend to be prospecting for your son and then start bashing and quickly duck out). But enough already with the blindsiding and silly sniping at kids and others over there, many of whom have no idea where your bitterness is even coming from.</p>

<p>The danged CC programmers got the Oberlin sub-forum twisted up with Washington & Lee somehow, hope they can fix it.</p>

<p>Sorry about that everyone. I’m done now - back to your regularly scheduled programming… :)</p>

<p>Hi OP,</p>

<p>I am a sophomore in the college. I am very Christian; it delineates my entire identity. I am also not American. That probably makes a difference. Do I “fit in”? It’s hard to say. For the most part, my friends run in well-defined circles: the Asian conservatory students, the science majors, the Christians. But I have ever had deep conversations about controversial issues with random people, and I have found that people are generally willing and open to talk if you don’t come from a place of presumption. People are also usually quite respectful of your life choices; I went to a party once when I was still on the Ultimate team, and they gave me a glass of water so I could participate in their drinking games. I really don’t know anything about the football team though. </p>

<p>The Christians on campus have a very wide range of political views, and I the clueless international student look on bemusedly. But we all worship the same God, and unanimously unite to help out at special-needs schools in Cleveland or soup kitchens at 7am Saturday morning. It’s beautiful. </p>

<p>In short, you should come to Oberlin. I have learnt so much about understanding and loving people just by being here.</p>

<p>If you want to talk more, feel free to PM me!</p>

<p>an Obie Dad here; the football players I met at move in day were quite passionate about their sport . . same with ruggers . . and swim team, from what I hear. In other words, within your sport you wil find students who are as passionate about what they do as at any more traditional footbal school. Pockets of passion wherever you go.</p>

<p>My take on the conservative/liberal thing is that the culture at some schools is more communitarian and at others more libertarian, and Oberlin seems more the latter than most. In other words, at some schools the culture - whether left or right - tends more toward “being one of us” . That 's the feel I got at Wesleyan and Swarthmore, that it was fairly important to be the Wes or Swattie type of student in order to be fully engaged in campus life. </p>

<p>The feel I get from Oberlin is that it’s more important to be passionate about what you do, and that students do not care as much about what your passion may be. So, all else being equal, I’d expect a conservative student to fair better at Oberlin than at most other “liberal” schools because Oberlin has a stronger strain of libertarian in it.</p>

<p>Very interesting…the communitarian v. libertarian concept. It rings true to me and seems like a good way to take a look at fit.</p>

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<p>FLVDAD, great demonstration of what you just falsely accused me of. You do these things very well. </p>

<p>For the record, people comment on boards all over CC. The last time I checked, none are off limits just because one might have a less than glowing view about a particular school or topic. It’s obvious you have a hard time listening to a negative opinion, even a FACT-BASED negative opinion, especially if you have an emotional investment and very different perception. So the knee-jerk response is to accuse the commenter of “■■■■■■■■.” It’s just another way of trying to shut down opposite viewpoints. It’s not going to work. </p>

<p>I hope you have a good day.</p>