<p>It was a school event, and the school implemented a punishment. So I would say it is a behavioral discipline that the school would report.</p>
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<p>Things would have had to have been really out of hand if police were called. Otherwise, it is a school function and the school would handle any problems associated with the event.</p>
<p>zooser, the concept that he’s a brat makes me feel alittle better :-)</p>
<p>Sybbie, I’m still curious how the school would know the the outcome with certainly and conviction to be able to check the yes box on the GC recommendation.</p>
<p>I guess you’re right, but it does seem a bit unfortunate that there is no leeway when a more serious infraction such as selling drugs or something outside of school can get expunged. That’s why I might take it to family court and have the record sealed as to the drunken prom. If the court orders itvsealed you do not have mention I think.</p>
<p>This is ridiculous. The young woman is clearly required to disclose. She should disclose. At most colleges, it will not matter in the least, as long as there are no future incidents. It may matter at some schools, particularly schools where alcohol isn’t tolerated,e.g., Brigham Young, Grove City, etc. Most schools, however, will not care in the least.</p>
<p>I agree, but as i said she’s under no obligation to give the gory details.</p>
<p>I do not believe drinking at Prom is going to have a bit of difference on this young woman’s life. I think she should disclose, note that she has learned from this episode of poor judgement, and move on.</p>
<p>I think that parents who try to shield their kids from owning up to their mistakes ultimately do their kids a disservice. The world is filled with adults who have their own stupidity and indiscretions, most of whom admire other people (whether teenagers or adults) who own up to their mistakes. And the psychic cost of all this sealing and covering and hiding and parsing of what seems like very clear language on the common ap is very high.</p>
<p>A young man who was a classmate of one of my kids and who had all sorts of crazy trouble with the law as a teenager finished law school last year, passed the bar, and as insane as it seemed to the parents who remember him- was just admitted to practice. No cover up, no hoping that nobody would find out-- nope. Just a clear statement to the Bar Association about what he had done at the age of 14, how he had paid his debt to society, what he had learned, and why he would make a better lawyer because of his experience.</p>
<p>You could cry from it.</p>
<p>You are helping your kids enormously by allowing them to come clean and move on, instead of engaging in gymnastics to explain away why they don’t need to divulge.</p>
<p>Dfin2013, heartfelt thanks.</p>
<p>I agree with blossom, and many other on here. I really doubt this will have a negative impact on her schools or really on financial aid. I would have thought that this was is a pretty common entry until I heard about the schools that do not report it and tell the students not to.</p>
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<p>Agreed. Wholeheartedly.</p>
<p>And just to clarify . . . there is no such thing as “expunging” a disciplinary action from a school record. The term “expunge,” when used in this context, refers to criminal matters only.</p>
<p>And, no, cheekymonkey, you can’t go to family court and get them to order a school to remove something from a kid’s disciplinary record. You can sue the school to try and force them to remove it. And imagine how THAT will look to colleges! (Yes, the lawsuit would be in the public record and - if recent history is any indication - would get lots of publicity, as well.)</p>
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<p>If a NYC DOE student who has been convicted of a criminal offense, would most likely be enrolled in a district 79 school, which could be</p>
<p>Passages Academy provides educational instruction and counseling for students ages 16 and younger in secure and non-secure detention and placement facilities operated by the Division of Youth and Family Justice of the Administration for Children’s Services. Passages Academy also works with the Office of Children and Family Services to provide academic instruction to students diverted from incarceration.</p>
<p>ReStart Academy provides educational services for students in drug treatment programs or other involuntary and/or temporary settings. The academic curriculum is designed to help students meet their middle school, high school, or GED requirements.</p>
<p>Phoenix House Academy is the academic component of the residential substance abuse treatment program lead by Phoenix House located in Yorktown Heights, NY. It provides a full high school course of study, as well as, GED preparation. </p>
<p>East River Academy (ERA) serves students between the ages of 16 and 21 in multiple locations on Rikers Island. The academic curriculum is designed to support students in obtaining either a high school diploma or a GED diploma.</p>
<p>[Schools</a>, Programs, & Services - District 79: Alternative Schools & Programs - New York City Department of Education](<a href=“http://schools.nyc.gov/Offices/District79/SchoolsProgramsServices/default.htm]Schools”>http://schools.nyc.gov/Offices/District79/SchoolsProgramsServices/default.htm)</p>
<p>After finishing one of these programs, unless the incident for which they were arrested for happened in school, student is most likely going to return to your school after they finish their program.</p>
<p>DOE Court Liaison and associated CBOs will be at your school, because they will ask for report cards, transcripts, attendance records, cut reports for any and all students involved in the court process (GCs are the first people they see, because most will be asked to submit forms writing about any social, emotional issues that are going on in school).</p>
<p><a href=“http://schools.nyc.gov/NR/rdonlyres/C74EA785-ADAE-4050-A1E0-9FB82FB4E9CB/0/WHOIAM_courtliaisonsNov12.pdf[/url]”>http://schools.nyc.gov/NR/rdonlyres/C74EA785-ADAE-4050-A1E0-9FB82FB4E9CB/0/WHOIAM_courtliaisonsNov12.pdf</a></p>
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<p>Not gonna happen. Courts are not going to get involved. If anything, the court may ask the parent if they want to put in a PINS (person in need of supervision)petition, but they can’t make the school remove something from the record.</p>
<p>Thanks sybbie, that makes sense that it would be a kid who is ordered into a special program. Having shepherded three kids into college I’m quite aware of the difference in what the schools “know” when something happens in our “hood” as opposed to what happens to kids who are over the county line so to speak. While the school might hear rumors in the hallway if something happened in the neighborhood they do not have reliable information or potentially any information if something occurred 10 miles away over the county line. I had no idea the common app asked “schools” about criminal activity and couldn’t imagine how they would have knowledge other than potential rumors. It feels alittle like a potential legal snakepit with regard to misdemeanors which often get dropped or delayed adjudication or probation w/expungement.</p>
<p>I’d assume so. There are quite I few people I know of who have had to list it… and one of them still got the SMU President’s Scholarship. He’s Pakistani though.</p>
<p>I just had the prom conversation with my son last night. Plus, I sent him the following e-mail with rules outlined, i.e., suspensions, college notification etc…</p>
<p>Hello my beautiful son,</p>
<p>I forward these rules to you and ask you to use that wonderful brain with which you are endowed. Please make smart decisions prom night. Do not take the risk of jeopardizing the wonderful future that awaits you!</p>
<p>I am so proud of you. The next stage of your life holds such great promise. My heart smiles when I think of the exciting life opportunities that have your name written on them. </p>
<p>I love you so much. You are my heart. </p>
<p>Be wise.</p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p>Mom</p>
<p>I had a college friend get a DUI Freshman year. He almost got kicked out of school. Instead he used his final three years of college to speak out about drinking and driving and start a non-profit. He now is an administrator at a large southern university and went to grad school fully funded.</p>
<p>how would lighting home-made magnesium powder after school on campus and getting a 3-day suspension compare to intoxication at prom? (2nd/3rd degree burns as a result)
the school vice principal said that the record would be gone after 6 months and an expulsion would most likely be incurred if another incident occurs within the 6months…(12 months passed and the sea is still calm)
I was just wondering how that looks…but I am still strongly inclined to put it on my common app for all the reasons posted about honesty.</p>
<p>To the OP,</p>
<p>This situation happened to a very good friend of my son’s. She is a very nice, hard working straight A student, well liked at their school, who exercised bad judgement at the homecoming dance. She was suspended for three days, and had to disclose this on her applications.</p>
<p>She discussed this event and her reaction to it (how one picks themselves up after adversity) in her college essay. She was admitted to 5 or 6 very good schools and two schools did give her full rides. </p>
<p>Hope this helps. Sorry you are going through all of this.</p>
<p>I’m shocked at all the people who are fine with – and are even ENCOURAGING – that OP’s daughter lie on her CommonApp. What will happen if the story were to out years from now? She could have her diploma rescinded.</p>
<p>I have some experience with disclosure of disciplinary violations. If the school doesn’t disclose, neither should the applicant. Alcohol violations are not a big deal to college admissions folks. I was told this repeatedly(my kid’s violations were not alcohol or drug related) and, in fact, I was told that alcohol violations are almost expected. This is by highly selective schools. So some of you can get off of your high horses. The piece I don’t know is the affect on any merit aid, since I don’t know the requirements.</p>
<p>As for seahorses pot brownie situation- I would have done the exact same thing.</p>
<p>These threads really bug me- I think we’ve been over all this “Oh My God. How could you LIE???” scenario a thousand times.</p>