<p>Will the AP Stats test count for any credit at Stanford? I checked Stanford's AP credit policy, and AP stats is not included. Does this mean I could at least receive elective credits for AP Statistics if I get a 5 on the test? Or will Stanford give no credit at all for it? Honestly, tomorrow is my AP Stats test and I am not ready at all for it. I shall just prepare to fail if Stanford will give me no credit.</p>
<p>Nope, no credit at all. Stanford only gives credit for the exams listed. Go ahead and fail away!</p>
<p>lol ok thanks. i feel much better now! i cannot wait to fail! well i hope i pass though. i dont want to upset my teacher and ruin her record</p>
<p>just don't take it - why waste your money?</p>
<p>Many high schools require you to take the AP exam if you sign up for the course, because they figure that way only motivated students would sign up. OTOH, this results in lots of seniors sitting around doodling in their free response booklets.</p>
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<p>And pulling down the mean, which is nonresistant to outliers. How's that for some statistical inference :).</p>
<p>pretty much...</p>
<p>Stanford is thinking about accepting NO APs in the future (as is Harvard and Yale)</p>
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<p>Source for this? (Regarding any of those three colleges, who says so?)</p>
<p>I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case for Stanford, since they've really been killing off AP credit steadily every year. I remember just 5 years ago, they offered AP credit for nearly every exam (including Biology, English, History, Economics, etc), but now it's down to just Calculus, Chemistry, Physics, and the languages.</p>
<p>As far as I know, Caltech has never accepted AP credit, so maybe Stanford is trying to go in their direction.</p>
<p>There are ongoing discussions that (eg) an AP in English in high school is not the same as the discussion of English in college. The fight is with the academics vs the admissions office. Because of this, several prep schools are starting to think of offering the Intern'l Bac instead of APs.
The refs are in the college academic mags as well as their newsletters and other journals. You should fine easy googles.</p>
<p>In other words this is not at all an announced policy of Stanford as yet, but just "thinking about," as you said.</p>
<p>As noted, they are counting less and less every year - as are the other Ivy's. Unfortunately, APs are presently so engrained in the admission process. They are several steps ahead of "thinking about it", but not yet an "announced policy".</p>
<p>As I suggested, you should research it.</p>
<p>I am currently very familiar with the situation at the Stanford University EPGY Online High School, which I think is the only accredited high school in the world which has active Stanford faculty members teaching classes to high school students for their regular school year high school subjects. Several of the courses taught by the Stanford faculty members have AP designation and thus are taught more or less with an eye on the AP syllabus. It may or may not be that Stanford offers credit toward graduation (as contrasted with placement into desired courses, or generalized advanced standing) for this or that AP course, but college policies on those issues are not a statement that AP courses are not valuable for high school students to take. The college admission counselor of the EPGY Online High School is a former admission officer at Stanford and certainly doesn't discourage current students from taking AP tests.</p>
<p>I am sure that AP tests are invaluable for homeschoolers, regardless of the credit awarded by the college.</p>
<p>Token,
Many of the top prep schools are cutting back on the number of AP courses they offer. The feeling is that once again, they are teaching for a test instead of the material.</p>
<p>The AP course may be the best at your high school, I won't argue that. But, from an academic prospect, it may not be the best educational offering. If it is the best, by all means take the test. But, for example, Deerfield Academy does not offer AP English now, but about 30 different English classes which are more in depth. The same for history, etc.</p>
<p>The object being do you want the kids to learn or get kudos to look good for admissions staff.</p>
<p>As I noted, the debate is between the admissions staff who currently have "no better" way of looking at students than the AP courses and the academic staff who think APs should be eliminated. There is alot of online data and discussions on this. The intern'l bacc may be the replacement.</p>
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<p>Plainly the former in my case, and I suspect in the case of most families whose children may be making an application to Stanford in the next few years. I'm not sure the brand name labels of high school courses are always the best guide when looking for that, whether the brand name is the name of an external testing program (e.g., AP or IB) or the brand name of a particular high school (public, private day, or private boarding). But, yes, everyone should be looking for a good secondary education, and all we can do is trust the higher education admission committees to figure out which applicants have been doing that.</p>
<p>Here's the link, by the way, to Stanford's current policies: </p>
<p>Advanced</a> Placement </p>
<p>Here is the link to some other college's policies, for comparison: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fas.harvard.edu/%7Eadvising/docs/advancedStanding0708.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~advising/docs/advancedStanding0708.pdf</a> </p>
<p>Princeton</a> University | Advanced Placement Credits </p>
<p>MIT</a> Admissions: Advanced Placement & International Exams</p>
<p>Note the following:</p>
<p>Welcome</a> to Excellence without AP</p>
<p>The top two prep schools (st pauls and phillips exeter) have dropped all AP courses. with a list of more.</p>
<p>Also, as presented at the american association advancement science:
survey of 18,000 college students enrolled in introductory biology, chemistry, and physics has found little evidence that high school Advanced Placement (AP) courses significantly boost college performance in the sciences. The study by researchers at Harvard University and the University of Virginia (UVA) found the best predictors of success in college science courses to be high school classes that foster mathematical fluency, value depth over breadth, and feature certain types of laboratory work. </p>
<p>Philip M. Sadler of Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences and the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics presented the findings Feb. 17 at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in St. Louis. </p>
<p>"Our survey, the largest ever of its type, suggests that AP courses do not contribute substantially to student success in college," says Sadler, the Frances W. Wright Senior Lecturer in the Department of Astronomy. "Even a score of 5 on an AP test is no guarantee of a college grade of A in the same subject."</p>
<p>True, but it does help expose students to the material earlier, wouldn't you agree?</p>