<p>I don't think an abstract alone can portray the depth or quality of the research paper that I co-authored. So will Yale accept a 20 page paper?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>they won't hate you, but they'll be pretty annoyed</p>
<p>I wouldn't suggest it. Send the abstract. Think about how much paper these guys get from the totality of applicants and that's just if everyone sends only the stuff they are supposed to send. They probably won't read your paper even if you send it and I think they'll be annoyed to boot. In every information session I ever attended, the admissions person stressed how they don't want tons of recommendations, additional information, etc. Your application will be stronger if you don't flood them with paper.</p>
<p>Here's your choice: do you want your 20pp paper in New Haven or do you want to be in New Haven?</p>
<p>I would send it only if 1) it has been or will be published in a peer-reviewed international journal and/or B) you were one of the top 40 finalists in the Intel STS. Otherwise, I would just submit the title of the project and maybe a non-scientific one or two sentence description of the project that an admissions officer would understand. Even an abstract is too much; also, abstracts are usually written in very technical language & format if they are really meant to be abstracts.</p>
<p>go ahead and send it in if its good it should help</p>
<p>They would not appreciate it and highly recommend AGAINST sending ANY supplements to your application unless it's like godly good.</p>
<p>Uh, it's not bad, as in it is original research. Intel results are not back yet, but I got regional finalist in siemens with it. We will submit it to a professional journal. My mentor is pretty busy so we haven't had time. Of course, I don't expect the Yale admission officers to read it, or anyone at Yale for that matter. I thought it may look better with a pretty deep paper as opposed to just an abstract. (the formating looks nice, it was typed in LaTeX, lol)</p>
<p>@T26E4, haha, nice one =).</p>
<p>OK, I'm going to say the same thing as others, but for a different reason, and from experience, because I considered this (I also have a 20-page research paper) and my sister actually <em>sent</em> hers to an Ivy League.</p>
<p>This is exactly what is going to happen if you send your research paper. Say you wrote your paper on a particular experiment having to do with electrochemistry. They will receive it as part of the supplement section. In all probability, the particular admissions person who receives your paper will not be well-versed in electrochem at all, much less in your paper's area of research, and therefore will not be equipped to judge you properly. What they do in this case is send the paper off to the electrochem dept. at Yale, to a particular research professor whose work they know deals with the rough area of yours. </p>
<p>So why is this bad? That researcher will read your paper with the eyes of a person who's been perusing research papers by professionals and graduate students for <em>years.</em> No offense, but simply because of the level of experience you've had writing research papers, your paper is probably not anywhere near as good as those. It's an experience thing. The researcher will NOT know what to look for, will have NO idea of the level of talent/experience expected from a highschooler - and your paper will be disregarded, or worse, will contribute negatively. </p>
<p>In general, it's not a good idea to send a supplement unless you're fairly sure it's better than some of the work they actually do AT the institution. And in this case, research papers are just not gonna fall in that category - especially not 20-page cumbersome ones.</p>
<p>I sent a 10 page paper to every school to which I applied. However, it had been published in a peer-reviewed journal.</p>
<p>I agree with dchari that the paper is likely to get sent to the relevant Yale department and perhaps criticized.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I doubt that simply submitting your paper will hurt you that much. It's most likely to just be left unread.</p>
<p>If you must send anything, just send the abstract.</p>
<p>i have to agree with t26e4, the dean of admissions, because who really would want to read a really really really long research paper
they don't care about it</p>
<p>Hahah did I miss something? T26E4 = admissions? Hm... cool :-)</p>
<p>I wouldn't send the paper. I am sure it is extremely impressive, but lots of students have done impressive things. Yet the admissions office doesn't have the time/interest to read it all, so... meh.</p>
<p>I know if I were and adcom, I wouldn't want it. And it's not because it's not great, because I'm sure it is.</p>
<p>haha: i'm the dean of nothing! Besides driving my kids to rehearsals and practices. I'm an alumni recruiter/interviewer for Y.</p>
<p>Hey, driving your kids places is underrated. Dean of that is good.</p>
<p>I love all these convictions against T26. First neurosurgeon, then iamouter.</p>
<p>i think "siemens regional finalist" is enough. simple, impactful, impressive, and easily understood by adcoms.</p>
<p>T26E4: Nice one :D</p>
<p>OP, if you start reading some enthusiastic "go for its", you might assume they are your RD rivals. :)</p>
<p>Amen, Riverrunner!</p>
<p>OP - If you look at the advice you were given, the adults on the thread advised against sending the paper. T26E4 has more experience than any of us and he, too, advised restraint. Resist the urge to send the entire paper.</p>
<p>Ok, thanks everyone. I'll just send the abstract then. How about other schools like Harvard, Princeton, or Stanford. Do they also just want the abstract?</p>