This!
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Overnight? Why such drama? 
A coffee and bathroom run is all It takes to refuel ours.
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Lol me too! I wonder how many resistant to EVs also are in the same boat.
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From The Alamo to Marfa is 405 miles, which is an easy trip using Tesla Superchargers.
Leaving with a full charge, first stop at Junction for 5 minutes; next stop at Ozona for 20 minutes; then to Ft. Stockton for 20 minutes; and from there into Marfa. Total duration is 7 hours.
fwiw: I make the ~400 mi run from SoCal to NorCal frequently in my Tesla, but I go with one stop at the midpoint for a 40 minute coffee, snack, bathroom, stretch break.
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Yeah that’s about what I got for CCS-SAE too, Junction, Ozona, Fort Stockton, Marfa. Seems like good chargers on I-10.
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Out of curiosity I tried routing this on Tesla’s route tool just now. Using just their chargers – so not even counting options from other charging companies – it mapped out a pretty obvious and efficient rout, mostly along I-10 that listed two 5 minute charging stops and one 20 minute charging stop (30 minutes total). Alternatively it can be done with just one charging stop, but for a longer 60 minute interval.
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According to a survey of EV owners in CA, almost 20% of EV owners switch back to gas autos, mainly due to charging issues.
I’m pretty sure my next car will be a plug in hybrid. I’m looking at a couple of different ones. Totally serves my needs. I don’t really drive very far, but if I do drive far, I can do gas or electric. Seems like the best if both worlds for now.
The car after that (DHs) will be all electric.
Getting solar panels too.
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Some quotes from the article you cited:
“To be fair to automakers and charging companies, things are getting much better, especially compared to the middle of the last decade when researchers acquired data.”
" This decade appears poised for an EV transformation, despite this data, as more automakers get serious about selling battery-electric cars and charging infrastructure."
Citing years old data from a period when EV vehicle and charging network penetration was tiny compared to know doesn’t seem like a very compelling data point.
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my3, I only commented on CA because that is where the thread was heading. Had the posts addressed EVs in MI, TX (another state with grid issues), or any other state I would have commented on that state. That said, CA is an unusual case in that 1. it has a goal of getting all its electricity from renewable sources, and 2. it is planning to outlaw ICE vehicle sales.
On a different note, I did not realize that potable water was the subject of this thread.
As a non ev owner (but hoping to join soon), I want to thank all of you for your explanations on long distance travel. I feel like I am constantly defending EV to people here. I feel like we are still using buggy whips!
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A study that was done last year using data from the previous five years is hardly outdated. Even if many charging stations have been added during that period the fact remains that it takes too long to charge an EV, and all but a few EVs lack the real world range to be a viable option for long trips. I know this from my wife’s experience driving her Tesla from MI to Chicago, where she had to charge at least twice during winter trips. Contrast the Tesla’s 40-60 minute charge time for the trip to the five minutes it takes to fill our Ford once.
Once there are a couple tech breakthroughs - reducing charge times to be competitive with gas stops and maintaining range during cold weather among them - EVs will become viable options for long trips.
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Are you coming from MS?
It just seems you have a real interest in focusing solely on CA. If so, why? I am seriously curious as to the precise interest of a state that is experiencing record heat waves.
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I would like a hydrogen fuel cell car. My office mate when I was a grad student was working on fuel cells. He got me hooked. Can they make them a little cuter now? And more importantly cheaper! BMW has a reasonably looking one coming out but I don’t even want to know the price tag. Fueling stations is another thing. But the research, particularly in materials science and the containment of hydrogen in typical pressure vessel materials (steels and specialty steels) is fascinating.
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Re-read my post to which you refer for answers to your questions.
Again, to the extent you care to respond, why are you so interested in CA during a heatwave?
Someone else referred to your coming from a state where potable water is an issue. I am assuming that’s MS, but please forgive me if I am wrong.
It really is outdated. The tech has changed so quickly. And the data was from 2015-2019, so starting 7 years ago.
I happen to have had an EV 7 years ago, a Nissan Leaf which I believe was the most common non-Tesla EV at the time. It had about a 100 mile range. I loved our Leaf, but when it got totaled we bought a Chevy Bolt because it has a much better range, 250 miles, and less battery degradation. The Bolt came out in 2017, so if they used the data from 5 years ago they would have started when the Bolt first came out. It was the second best selling EV of 2017 right behind Tesla. I think that increase in range made a huge difference.
The charging times you mentioned…
…That’s now. You can charge many EVs in about 15-20 minutes (Tesla, Kia EV 6, Hyundai Ioniq5, Lucid, BMWi4, and more).
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Not surprised. And that is consistent with my thinking. I’m a big fan of EV’s and won’t go back to an ICE, but do not recommend an EV unless one can charge at home (or easily at the office).
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I was a doubter about EVs last year. But, if you can trickle charge your EV with a 110 v charger, you should be fine IF you don’t drive more than 30 - 40 miles each day. That’s what we did for nearly 7 months.
We recently upgraded our main panel, which was LONG overdue at our house. I splurged and got a ChargePoint charger on a 60amp circuit. We are DELIGHTED with how easy and quickly we can charge our EV and PHEV.
I appreciate that not everyone can do this, but please remember that a 110v charge is fine too if you don’t do more than 30-40 miles/day.
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