Will you buy an electric or hybrid car next?

Sure they do. Most brands now have “advanced safety features” that include “adaptive cruise control with advanced lane keeping assist.” That lets them do exactly that in many instances, even though they shouldn’t.

Tesla’s system is only a little more advanced than some of the other brands. But whether they are more featured or less featured in both cases people are making a choice to abuse their car. You can use a bat hit hit balls or to attack people. That doesn’t make the bat the problem. It’s the people misusing it.

I’m unclear what you overall point is. Before Tesla came around or most cars had driving asst features, there were still an incredible number of car accidents and sadly fatalities caused by people being irresponsible in their cars. Tesla’s safety record isn’t worse than others — why do you seem obsessed with it?

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You’re right, they are actually free options available to even more drivers, resulting in even more accidents and fatalities.

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Not obsessed, but amazed that Tesla is allowed to beta test these features in the wild with real world implications.

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“Autopilot” is adaptive cruise control + lane centering, which is not unique to Tesla.

However, the name “Autopilot” that Tesla uses seems to cause people to think that it is more capable than it actually is, with some thinking that they do not have to pay attention while using it. Other companies’ names are more suggestive of a more featured cruise control or assistance device. Of course, autopilot in an airplane is like a cruise control where the pilot still has to pay attention, but most people outside of aviation do not see it that way.

Some other companies’ similar systems have more “make sure the driver is paying attention” stuff.

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I’m the OP of this thread. I’d be interested to hear about some of the other EVs and hybrids, and Plug in Hybrid models folks are trying or have bought.

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My daughter still loves her Hyundai Kona EV. Only sold in certain states, NJ being one of them. The only issue I have :joy: is the range isn’t that far.

I personally believe she loves that feature as she doesn’t love driving and always has an excuse not to travel somewhere. “Sorry, my car won’t make it, I’ll have to stay home”

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A friend’s husband has a Kia Niro PHEV. He likes it but said his wife doesn’t. Not sure why.

on another news report, it said the car was a 2014 and if correct, at best it had cruise control. The so-called full service drive features do not work on the older Teslas. And Teslas do not have emergency stopping, just emergency slowing with alerts for the driver to take immediate control. (The driver may have just fallen asleep.).

This is one of those instances where Elon does himself no favors by not having a PR/Comm team who could pull up the computer records online and easily tell the press/feds, yes car was running on automated, or not it was not.

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That looks more like what we would want. EV for around town but able to make road trips. (I think that’s the one you were referring to).

D test drove an EV Kia but I’m not sure which one. The Hyundai was cheaper.

I drove her Hyundai once, very nice. Did not like the regenerative brakes but I only drove it once. I would get used to them.

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Be aware that there are some Kia and Hyundai models that are so easy to steal that some insurance companies will not cover them! https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/business/progressive-state-farm-hyundai-kia/index.html

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The affected models are those which have a physical key only without an additional RFID chip (“immobilizer”). These are generally low end models. Models with passive start or push button start use RFID chips, as do some models with physical keys.

RFID chip keys are not theft proof, but do screen out some thieves who could steal cars without RFID chips.

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I am particularly interested in cars other than the Tesla. I do not want to discuss or debate why….but any positive feedback on cars other than Tesla would greatly be appreciated!

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I’ve test driven a bunch of the EV SUV’s and the one that has impressed me the most overall so far is the BMW iX, but of course you end up paying a huge premium for it. That said, it’s still much cheaper than the comparable Tesla X out the door and offers a ton more than it. Much better interior with lot more options. Zippy like you want an EV to be. Expansive UI options. Premium features missing on all Teslas. Integration of CarPlay (and Android Auto). Decent advanced driver assist features. And great range – it’s one of the very few EV’s that almost every industry source who has done extensive real world range tests finds does materially better than it’s EPA rating. Main nits other than the price (and dealing with BMW dealership) is the exterior is not in my (or many others) opinion(s) attractive. Front grille particularly. But this is a low priority issue for me. It’s abig small for my preference, but comparable to most of the other EV SUV’s in the class, except for the Rivian and the ridiculous Hummer.

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Our 2014 Tesla has all the self driving features. We picked it up around October 2014 and weren’t expecting it to be included. So it is possible. This was back when it took months and months to get delivery, and it was a nice surprise.

Thanks @citivas

Wondering more about a smaller SUV type or a sedan too.

Glad to hear about anything that’s not a Tesla, however.

DS bought a used tesla (2015 I think) from tesla and Tesla added all the self driving features to it before the resale. OK, back to non tesla EV conversations.

Chevrolet Bolt is the bargain for a small car EV, if the not-that-fast fast charging is ok for you.

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I’ve looked at the Bolt that looks like a little tiny SUV. I liked it…but are they still going to be making that next year?

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I have heard good things about the Ford Mustang Mach-E EV. It’s being marketed as an SUV rather than a muscle car these days.

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Saw one of those mustangs at the EV chargers. Definitely looks like a small SUV.

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