Williams College warning

<p>I have always envisioned America’s finest schools to be institutions run with competence and consideration. However, my recent interaction with the Williams admission office has altered my way of thinking. </p>

<p>I applied this year as a transfer student, turned in my application on time, and submitted all of my application materials. Months later, I received letter after letter from other colleges I applied to notifying me of whether I was admitted or not, but never heard one word from Williams. I then received an acceptance letter from a top 5 school I really wanted to attend, and the only school that could have potentially made me second-guess attending was Williams. I held off on sending in my admission deposit to this school until I heard from Williams, but still heard nothing. I finally had to send in my admissions deposit, but if Williams ended up accepting me, I would have been willing to consider foregoing the $400.00 deposit to attend Williams. </p>

<p>Finally, once the deadline for sending in my deposit had arrived, I thought I would try giving Williams a call to see if they could give me their admission decision over the phone. I called, and when I gave them my information, they directed me to a woman who told me that for whatever reason, the admissions board never even downloaded my application. They received it on time with all the materials, but somewhere along the line, they missed downloading it. The woman proceeded to blame me for the situation, saying that I should have called sooner. She went on to say this at least 5 times during our conversation, never once apologizing in any way. She then mentioned that they had already made their decisions, but she would see what she could do, and she just reiterated that I should have called sooner. When I explained to her that I didn’t want to bother the admissions office, she countered that most students call to confirm that their application was received and downloaded.</p>

<p>To my disappointment, what this conversation showed me was that the Williams College admissions office is very unprofessional, sloppy, and inconsiderate, especially for what is supposed to be such an elite college. I applied to over 10 schools, and not one other school had difficulty in downloading my application. I thought that paying a high application fee was supposed to ensure that the most elementary step of downloading my application occurred. I understand that students may call after a certain point to see if they were accepted or not, but I didn’t think it was necessary to call the admissions office and supervise them to ensure that they perform the most basic task of downloading my application. Actually, at many of the schools that I applied to, they discouraged the applicants from calling the admissions office during the major time when applications were being accepted. Yet, rather than apologizing, or attempting to accommodate me in the aftermath of their error (such as promising to give my application the same consideration as everybody else’s, or offering me a refund of my fee), Williams proceeded to blame me for their oversight. </p>

<p>Right before I hung up on the phone with the admissions officer, she told me I would hear from them sometime the following week. It has now been well over a week, and I have heard nothing from the admissions office. I am thankful that this happened, because I now know without a doubt that I made the right choice in accepting the offer from the school I am now enrolled in (arguably better than Williams anyway); I would in no way want to attend a school so inconsiderate, inefficient, and unwilling to admit an error, and I would caution other potential applicants to be prepared to babysit your application if you decide to submit one to Williams.</p>

<p>Man, that sucks kinda bad. I’ve never really heard of anyone complaining about the admissions office at Williams, but unfortunately things like this do happen in even some of the most prestigious schools. </p>

<p>By a top 5 school, are you referring to an LAC or national university? Regardless, hopefully you’ll be happy where you decided to attend and forget this messy matter.</p>

<p>It is unfortunate that you had a sad experience. It might be helpful to others in the same situation if you gave some insights into your year, the kind of school you were leaving, why, grades, reasons for transfer, and such. The retention rates at some of these schools like Williams are in the 97% range so I wonder the size of the pool of transfers. Best of luck at your top 5 school. My child attends Williams and had a great experience with admission, ED.</p>

<p>If for whatever reason, despite this chaotic mess, you are still interested in attending Williams, cease communication with the Admissions Representative you described above, who obviously is disinterested in working, and contact the Director of Admissions, or someone else in a higher place/position. Explain your specific situation and go from there. Even if you are no longer planning to attend, (and will go with your other school you have deposited at), I’d still contact the Admissions Office at Williams to get the imbecile who forgot to “download your file,” lol, in trouble.</p>

<p>Considering the amount of time and effort transfer applications require, and the fact that you (most likely) paid an application fee, you are rightfully owed a timely, professional review of your applicant file and a final, formal admissions decision. </p>

<p>Like I always say, things happen for a reason. :smiley: Good luck in the fall at your new, hopefully more organized university!</p>

<p>I suggest that you consult with a laywer. Don’t let them explain away.</p>

<p>I’m so sorry this happened to you! How infuriating! I’d definitely stay on their asses and get compensated for the fee you paid. I wish they could pay you for your time and aggravation. Jesus, how stupid of them.</p>

<p>You should talk directly to the Director of Admissions. And I would not mention that you posted this on an open forum discussion board, just to make sure to enhance the likelihood that they don’t circle the wagons.</p>

<p>I think you are owed a reconsideration of your admission. In the unlikely event that they decide to accept you (not because you don’t deserve it, but because they’ve already accepted their quota), they should reimburse you for the deposit to the other school.</p>

<p>You might consider getting a lawyer, but the thing there is you can’t get a lawyer to get you admitted and that’s what it sounds like you really want.</p>

<p>lol @ the suggestions for getting a lawyer</p>

<p>You know what this is called in my neck of the woods? </p>

<p>Life.</p>

<p>Williams College has been admitting students since 1793, and has been the top ranked LAC for the past 10 years and in the top 3 for 25 years. Hard to believe they don’t know how to deal with applications. If you have a problem contact them again. Did you notice this year that Harvard let thousands apply for transfer and then took no one. Did not even review the apps just decided to take no transfers. I guess that makes Harvard a lousy school. Sellers market. In my experience the people at Williams admission are consumate pros. Get in touch with them again.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, this sort of thing can happen anywhere, anytime. You can also get people who are snippy in the best admission offices. When I applied to college 30 years ago, I was the victim of a terrible mistake, that never did get resolved despite numerous calls and letters. Never got money back that was owed to my dad. With each of my sons, there were some bumps in the road–this third one was actually the clearest sailing. I have talked to a number of people over years who have had the same sort of experiences with the best of companies, schools, businesses, etc. As Aworldapart says, “it’s called Life”. </p>

<p>You do have to stay on top of applications, bills, paperwork. If there is a mistake you pay even if it is not your fault. It’s just the way it works. In terms of a sloppy or rude admissions person, at least you will not have much if anything to do with them once you are in the school. Far more important how other parts of the school are run, the academics, profs, accessibility, feel, etc. Most kids hate the administration at the schools, particularly financial aid/admissions. I know I despised the FA director at our college. And I had to visit him weekly to make sure he thought of me when any goodies arrived. The squeaky wheel does get the oil. He was replaced with someone worse. </p>

<p>I am in the middle of some stupid administrative errors, not on my part but affecting me, right now. Am not happy, but that is just the way it goes. It goes right to medical care even when you have a life threatening condition. I was appalled and shocked at how somethings were run in an oncology ward, even as I treasured some of the wonderful people and things there. You can’t have it all, it seems, unless you are very, very lucky. Mistakes do happen. There are cranky, incompetent people everywhere.</p>

<p>Well… most of people in college admission office are not professional. They make mistakes all the time. I applied Vanderbilt Financial Aid this year, and they lost my whole financial aid files. I was lucky to call them as soon as possible. However, I had to deal with one person there saying that my parents’ foreign tax return was rejected because it was not translated in English. (It was very very clear that it was in English. The section occupied OVER half of the tax return form.) lol I got my financial aid by telling her to ask supervisor.</p>

<p>While this is certainly a glaring error, and I agree that you should at the very least be reimbursed and considered for admission, I have a hard time believing that this is a reflection on the school as a whole. I don’t really know anything about Williams, but there has to be good reasoning for its prestige. No matter how professional a person is, mistakes will still be made. Even the best of the best have a slip-up now and then. </p>

<p>I get the sense that when you were told that you should have called sooner, that the representative simply meant that had you called sooner, they would have been able to spot the mishap before it was too late. I don’t think you should see this as them blaming you for being irresponsible.</p>

<p>Anyway, if you really want to go to Williams, don’t let this phase you. If it wasn’t meant to be, then that’s that. But don’t be discouraged by taking the long road to Williams if that is your ultimate goal.</p>

<p>I love the people who think getting a lawyer is the answer to everything.</p>

<p>Anyway, you should definitely contact the Director of Admissions and explain your situation. I don’t know anything about Williams, but I’m guessing they have a small admissions department and probably only one person who handles transfers. Mistakes happen, unfortunately, and I don’t think you should let it sour you on the whole school.</p>

<p>Also, I’m pretty sure College Confidential isn’t some big secret. The people at Williams have probably already seen this thread.</p>

<p>Good luck and let us know what happens.</p>

<p>I decided to delete this post, since it was off-topic. Sorry for the interruption.</p>

<p>As a Williams alum, I apologize for that treatment. You really should let the dean of admissions know about your experience..It’s important that these types of incidents get reported.</p>

<p>As someone who has worked in college admissions & financial aid offices, I must disagree with aspen88. Are there some incompetent people? Sure, just like there are incompetent people in every field. If you have never looked behind the scenes in admissions & f/a, though, you have no clue about the MOUNTAINS of paperwork that must be viewed, matched, filed, etc. OP, certainly if you have been adversely affected, you deserve a very professional apology … if you did not receive one, you are within your rights to go over the employee’s head and let a supervisor know how you were treated. If you received an apology, though, and still are upset … you may want to think about the conversation from your end. Did you treat the employee as a professional? Did you refrain from blaming the employee personally or from jumping to conclusions (out loud) about departmental incompetance? You may not have … but if you did, that was not a good thing to do on your part. My D had some trouble at a school with one of those departments. Like you, she waited & finally contacted them. I made her go over the person’s head … she did not complain about the “underling,” she just asked the higher-up to check into things for her. The person she contacted bent over backwards for her. Perhaps the first person was overworked or even incompetent. Whatever. The key was finding someone to take care of her. That is how one deals with the fact that “that’s life” — figure out how to deal with it.</p>

<p>This thing happened to me as well, but not as a transfer but I was an International Freshman Applicant. The college I applied to was ranked fairly better (not anymore for me). I did wait patiently for the decisions to arrive, but after what I thought was too much, I e-mailed the admission office to know what was happening. To my horror, they replied telling me that the decisions were already made and the class was shaping up the way they wanted so they never looked upon my file and never reviewed it, i wonder touch it, and so forget about the decision. I couldn’t call because of the time zone, its like to call there at their office hours, its midnight here. All i could do was scream at the god damn e-mail they sent me and vent in my anger and frustrations. I never contacted them back, won’t bother having conversations with people who are inconsiderate to others’ hard work and enthusiasm.</p>

<p>i find this very amusing b/c williams gets what 100, 200 transfer applicants a year?</p>

<p>isnwta, if I were you, I would forward the email you received to the Director of Admissions. That doesn’t sound like an email I would want my college to send, if I were the one in charge.</p>

<p>I suggest (even if you do not want to attend Williams) that you send a polite letter to the Dean of admissions so that this incident will not reoccur.</p>