<p>I think the tutorial system is another unique strength of Williams. </p>
<p>Interesteddad--there are no "pretty bad" academic admits at Williams. The admissions standards set for Tips are quite high by any school's standards, and I believe are the most stringent of any of the NESCACs. Women's varsity athletes actually have a higher group GPA than the school average.</p>
<p>Have you taken any tutorial classes? What's the experience like?</p>
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<p>That is simply not correct. Williams ranks applicants on a scale from 1 to 9, with 1 being the top.</p>
<p>The average for the enrolled freshmen other than the 100 tipped and protected athletic department recruits is a 2.8.</p>
<p>The 32 athletic department "protects" are academic 3's chosen over other academic 3's at the athletic department's perogative.</p>
<p>The 66 "tips" range from 4s down to 7's -- all below average compared to the non-tipped student body. The agreement with the admissions office is that the athletic department can chose ten 7's within that mix. By Williams standards, a 7 is a very weak applicant academically. I do not know the SAT range for an academic 7. While the acceptable bottom end is not down in Division I territory, I think it is down in 1000 to 1200 range. These ten admits are there for one reason and only one reason -- to anchor the football or hockey team.</p>
<p>I don't have any problem with that. Football is a major priority. But, we shouldn't pretend that it there aren't some very low academic enrollees.</p>
<p>Is there a link where I can see what a 1, 2, 3 etc., are?
How low can baseball, soccer and basketball players be?</p>
<p>Hey,
For those of you out there who have done so, and I don't feel like mentioning names, THANKS for hijacking the thread! Especially those who seem to have to bring up athletic admissions/recruitment almost every single thread...Geez, I'm trying to answer a few questions and help a few people out by addressing the question. </p>
<p>THE QUESTION: Would it be almost impossible to pursue two extracurriculars passionately? (for me, piano and tennis-- takes about an 1hr 30min each day).</p>
<p>and the answer is/was a flat out "yes." We definitely have the resources and personnel to help her do so.</p>
<p>Did it mention recruitment? Did it mention Varsity? (Whoa! Some people on this board are super de-duper deductive! Somehow, "passionately", means first singles on the tennis team)
Did the question mention varsity-tipping? (Not so much)
Did the question mention the "admissions scale"? (Whoa! Not so much again! I'm beginning to sense a trend! could it be?)
Heck, the question didn't even ask about admissions... (Go figure! a question that dealt with LIFE and ACTIVITIES here? Though, I betcha she was OBVIOUSLY thinking about whether she's an academic protect/ or an academic 3.14159.....)</p>
<p>Let's get this thread back on topic, aye?</p>
<p>So yeah, if any prospectives/ED admits has any questions, feel free to post, and I, as well as other Williams students, will answer them.</p>
<p>Let's make this about people's QUESTIONS...<-notice the word in capital letters!!</p>
<p>That is all...</p>
<p>I exactly don't understand the entree system. how does it work (is it like yale residential system)? also, in order to get music lessons, do you have to have a certain level of skill?</p>
<p>I agree with renja...and I'm sorry that I've contributed to this going off topic.</p>
<p>I have taken a tutorial at Williams--there are lots offered, many of which are available to Frosh and Sophomores. My tutorial was a philosophy tutorial on free will and it was absolutely amazing. My partner was brilliant, as was my professor. Our tutorial meetings were official one hour, but we would often become so involved that they'd run to two hours. I'm not sure if we had any meetings shorter than an hour and a half. It was a lot of work, but my writing improved incredibly and I looked forward to tutorial meetings throughout the semester. To be honest, I'm sad that I'm not in a tutorial this semester, and I plan on taking at least one tutorial each semester from now on.</p>
<p>Ok,
Most freshman housing is vertical, meaning instead of twenty people on a floor, we have 20 people spread across 4 floors, with singles and common rooms, exceptions being Fay and East. They're horizontal entries. Basically, Williams housing arranges it so that the people in your entry have the kind of diversity on campus...it's meant to be a microcosm of sorts. There are two JA's to every entry. They help the froshies adjust to life at college and are more like big brothers/sisters and not RA's. </p>
<p>Music:
I'm pretty sure you can be at any skill level. Most people who take the lessons take private ones for a half credit. You have to pay for these lessons (they're private after all), but the price is subsidized by the College, so it's a pretty good deal.</p>
<p><<THE QUESTION: Would it be almost impossible to pursue two extracurriculars passionately? (for me, piano and tennis-- takes about an 1hr 30min each day).</p>
<p>and the answer is/was a flat out "yes." We definitely have the resources and personnel to help her do so.>></p>
<p>Just to maintain clarity....the answer was a flat out "no." It would not be impossible. But the rest of your point is well taken. As the parent of a Williams varsity athlete, I just get tired of hearing about how they're a bunch of ringers who aren't up to the academic snuff.</p>
<p>Please do carry on....I would also like to hear much more about the tutorial experience.</p>
<p>haha,</p>
<p>Whoops! I mentioned the Flat-out no in my original response, but things got jumbled in my head. Thanks for the heads up driver.</p>
<p>So, to settle things, in my post above, i meant to answer "no," but "yes" we do have the resources and coaches/tutors that can help her pursue her interests passionately here.</p>
<p>I have not taken a tutorial yet, but that's simply because of scheduling conflicts. I do plan on taking tutorials starting next year.</p>
<p>dang. Please stop talking about the athletic topic. This is a place to answer questions for prospective students and not drag out some agenda. Thanks for you compliance.</p>
<p>interesteddad- how arrogant of you to talk as if you are an admissions officer at Williams. I agree with wildcatdude, there are lots of other students at Williams beside recruited athletes!</p>
<p>Thanks for the info Haon. </p>
<p>Are tutorials offered mainly in humanities courses?</p>
<p>Have any of you thought about doing the Williams-Oxford program?</p>
<p>wow, didn't think there'd be so many posts in such a short amount of time.
Anyways, no need to get sour, interestteddad. no offense, but your tone is kinda didactic....</p>
<p>I'm not a recruited athlete, and I know how good Williams men tennis program is because I've been following it for last two years on the Internet. But I know one guy our neighbor school that's playing in Williams (don't know him personally), so it's not like team's out of reach for me. I love tennis and play about 2 hrs a day, and if I tell coach and ask him if I can just practice with the team or something and work hard, I think the coach might buy my effort. If not, I will play club or something (is there club tennis at williams?). My questions was would I have time to play tennis and piano, at whatever level...</p>
<p>Haon:
You said you were almost a walk-on yourself in the tennis team.
My questions: 1.Are you still continuing tennis?
2.If yes, is it hard to find partners? Is it hard to practice with someone everyday?</p>
<p>renja888: I'm interested in Engineering and am aware that Williams College provides a 3-2 Dual-Degree program with Columbia University SEAS. Do you know of any students who have taken/are taking this path? If so, would they recommend others to take this path or would they recommend others to apply to a regular, 4-year Engineering school instead?</p>
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<p>Well, that's simple enough. </p>
<p>This whole thing started because I was just trying to offer the advice to "check it out" if tennis is important to you. A lot of kids might have no idea that Williams tennis team is a multiple national championship winning team. Small liberal arts college in snow country, no sweat making the team. I mean, it's not really the classic profile for a tennis powerhouse. I really wasn't trying to make any point other than, "check it out", because that might be one of the high-profile teams where a walk-on is "iffy". For some reason, that advice seemed unreasonable, I guess.</p>
<p>BTW, the outdoor tennis courts are in a spectacularly beautiful setting. When I was there, they had mostly clay courts.</p>
<p>Question: How are the athletic facilities at Williams? I mean the gym and weight room and such. The reason I'm asking is cause I like to stay fit and University of Houston just opened an awesome multi million dollar gym/athletic facility (prolly the best in Texas). And the beautiful design of that place had me wondering about what Williams had.Oh, and hello12 if you ever need a tennis partner (I'll be freshman next year) I'll gladly practice with you.</p>
<p>gimpage--
the athletic facilities are certainly not as nice as you would expect them to be (I at least expected that a wealthy school that excells as much in athletics as Williams does would have absolutely amazing facilities). They're decent and certainly "work" (and students certainly make good use of them), but they could probably be better. Williams has decided to use their resources more to further academics and support students than for athletic facilities, which I think says a lot about the school.</p>
<p>gimpage,
as much as i'd like to play with you, i'm currently a junior. But if i get in next year, i'd love to have a tennis partner. </p>
<p>Haon, would you mind answering my question above?</p>