Williams vs Amherst vs UChicago vs Wellesley vs Yale cs Columbia vs UPenn vs Princeton

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Why donā€™t you like Yale that much? Is there anything specific you could please share? Thanks again.

I had a number of friends who had terrible experiences there as postdocs - they had PIs who allowed bullying in their labs, ignored people in their lab stealing data and plagiarizing each other, and were told, basically, that so long as publications came out of the lab with the PIā€™s name on them, the PI did not care how it happened.

It has also been my impression, over the years, that Yale has allowed itself to be defined by Harvard. Rather than forge their own identity, like Princeton and other older ā€œeliteā€ colleges, it has always seemed to me that Yale has engaged in a game of ā€œsee, weā€™re as good as/better than Harvardā€. Harvard has engaged in the same game, so itā€™s not a one-way interaction, but Harvard has been more successful. But this is my impression, and other people may have different opinions.

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Letā€™s start with where you have been accepted.

Then weā€™ll talk about waitlists.

If you were accepted to all of them then I would say in the Iviesā€¦Princeton #1 for the excellent undergraduate, mentored, research experience. For the small LAC, Amherst #1, again for the excellent, broad education. I know somone who majored in Math, English and Classics at Amherst - she would have NO issues going to grad school OR getting a job.

choose school based on where you can make best use of opportunities not prestige

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Thank you all very much! Can I throw one more in. NYU CAS Deanā€™s Scholars. How does it compare to the rest in terms of fit/quality of research/access to top research/ further opportunities?

So where have you actually been accepted and where are you waitlisted?

If you look through other threads here, youā€™ll see Yale has, or at least is generally perceived as having, a very distinct personality: much smaller overall than Harvard, more focused on undergraduate education, tighter residential college communities, more arts/humanities-focused, and so on. The sciences have generally been weaker at Yale ,and the university is working to raise their status, so that may be behind some of MWolfā€™s impression. I would also note the specific focus of Yaleā€™s premier professional schools, which tell you a lot about the ethos of the university: art, drama, music, forestry, law (historically small and focused on public service), as well as a business school that (not sure if this is still the case) was historically focused on non-profit management. None of this, to say the least, is copying Harvardā€“itā€™s fully distinct, and much more appealing to many. To my mind (as a graduate of both H and Y), Yale offers arguably the best undergraduate education in the country.

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WL at UPenn and UChicago.

My daughter just graduated from Wellesley and have a fantastic experience. The academics are top notch across the board, they have a brand new science center, the arts are great. There is a real sense of community on campus and a lot of diversity. Gorgeous campus, close to Boston. Can take classes at MIT and Olin School of Engineering. Sends alumnae to top grad and med schools. Resources up the wazoo, lots of loyal and famous alumnae.

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Assuming you have been admitted at all the rest, Princeton.