<p>what do you think? :D</p>
<p>The same. You may not know this, but until the mid-1990s Penn was ranked in the late-teens. Wharton and its graduate schools were still highly ranked, however - it was the improvement of the college itself that caused Penn to shoot up in the rankings. As of 2004, the difference in SAT score between CAS and Wharton was only 14 points. Given that CAS is 60% of the school, this doesn’t exactly “make-or-break” our selectivity.</p>
<p>In other words, even without Wharton the school would still be top-10.</p>
<p>Not like it really matters, but its ranking and prestige would still be up there (wayyy up there)</p>
<p>Well, if u are talking USNWR, then they rank each section of college (wharton, CAS, etc.) independently of another. Say they did combine all schools and look holistically, then Wharton’s high ranking should be offset by the SEAS’s rather lower ranking, thus, it would still be the same.</p>
<p>We’re not that low :(.</p>
<p>And if you took off Wharton, he isn’t saying that SEAS’s oh-so-detrimental effect is taken off as well.</p>
<p>Penn isn’t ranked high because of Wharton. Penn is known for gaming the rankings, along with other schools such as WashU. In reality, it should really be ranked about #10 or #11.</p>
<p>Wut u mean game? How do they do that and why don’t they “game” their engineering school as well?</p>
<p>yeah it’s pretty obvious penn games the system…</p>
<p>First they send bribes each year to other schools’ provosts, presidents, and deans to improve their peer assessment scores</p>
<p>And then they trick alumni into giving more money so that they’ll have a higher alumni giving rate and financial resources. </p>
<p>They also hire tons of people to send fake applications to their school so their selectivity goes up</p>
<p>After that, beefing up their retention ratio should be a piece of cake</p>
<p>Damn you Awped ! Why are you revealing Penn’s super secret gaming techniques on a place as public as CC? Now everyone will know how Penn games the rankings. :P</p>
<p>yeah, penn has come out of nowhere and tried to play itself off as some sort of prestigious university through a recent series of tricks and tomfoolery…oh wait, Penn was America’s first university</p>
<p>^hahahahhahaa</p>
<p>Yea… the whole first University thing and being world renowned and all I think it would be just fine without Wharton…</p>
<p>MyBlsfHrt - Where did you view of Penn come from?</p>
<p>I’m not saying Penn is a bad school. In fact, it’s a great school. It just really shouldn’t be ranked that high. I’m not just making up false information about Penn, WashU and many other schools gaming the rankings. Many other people too view Penn in the same way.</p>
<p>Ok penn isn’t as good as HYPMS, but why do you think its 10 or 11? I personally fell its more like 6 or 7… Cuz comparatively speaking, basically all the schools except those five “game”.</p>
<p>Here’s how I would rank the top 10 schools:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
Caltech
Columbia
Chicago
Penn
Duke</p>
<p>There’s honestly no way you can rank Penn above Caltech, Columbia, and Chicago.</p>
<p>Yes most schools (not all) care about the US News Rankings, but at least they don’t game the rankings like Penn and WashU.</p>
<p>For example, Swarthmore and Reed really don’t care about the rankings at all.</p>
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<p>Chicago undergrad isn’t that great. Not very many people turn down Ivies to go there. I personally got in to Chicago but am still happy about my Penn ED acceptance. It’s pretty easy to rank Penn above it. Columbia undergrad is probably more selective than Penn(excepting the Wharton program), but even still, it doesn’t have much on Penn besides its location. Caltech, while extremely selective, is barely even a University and can’t be meaningfully compared to Penn.</p>
<p>My friends turned down Harvard and Princeton to go to Columbia and Chicago. No, it wasn’t because of money. Columbia and Chicago both provide better academic experiences.</p>
<p>Caltech is the equivalent of MIT in California, just like Stanford is to Harvard.</p>