<p>Bay- you would be suprized to know, who this man knows.</p>
<p>I guess I should say his position has allowed him to "rub elbows" with people that have significant interest with the University. He also vacations frequently with the CEO/founder of this company.</p>
<p>Its not so much his position but what contacts he has made. Also he is not your typical VP of operations- he has millions.</p>
<p>Bay- it happend she got in and she didnt deserve.I don;t really care if you dont believe it.</p>
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<p>Wouldn't a VP of a Fortune 500 company have more than a few million?</p>
<p>Honestly Beefs he is beyond loaded- does it really matter. this is not what this thread is about. I was just trying to prove a point through something I have personally expireneced. Also no I don't know what the SAT scores where.</p>
<p>I know this may be dissapointing for some of you to grasp, but Harvard does let in a few idiots! So do other Ivy's.</p>
<p>Let me remind you- Yale U = Geroge W, Bush.</p>
<p>I rest my case.</p>
<p>Frankly, am01, your sweeping generalizations are worthless to this site if you cannot back them up with facts and evidence.</p>
<p>It is not helpful to make claims that a student was admitted to Harvard with a B average and bad SAT scores when you do not in fact know what those scores were. Further, "rubbing elbows" by itself as an admissions hook is just not credible.</p>
<p>This board is laden with "sour grapes" claiming that "idiots" can get into Ivy league schools for no tangible reason. As far as I've seen, they never have the facts to back up these claims. You are no exception.</p>
<p>BTW, even Geroge [sic] Bush was a double legacy. Sorry, you lose your case.</p>
<p>As a grad student at Harvard in the '90s everybody in Cambridge understood the vast difference b/w the College and Extension. As a graduate of Extension gets further from Cambridge the less one'd pick up on the difference, not asking what House one was in or major. Doesn't Extension limit the classes in A&S one can take? But I think the diploma reads Harvard University (no mention of "Extension"). I thought Columbia's GS was more accepting in the courses one could take, and Penn has a similiar program, too.</p>
<p>Considering fewer that 5% of non-hooks are going to get into Harvard College this yr it makes the Extension School a possibility, if its the Harvard name one wants. But its social life is not to non-existant, etc. I'd do ugrad somewhere else and one can always get into Harvard Educaton, Divinity, the Kennedy School pretty easily for grad school after a more meaningful ugrad.</p>
<p>Bay- Fortunately for me, I was not trying to prove anything to you and I do not really care if you believe or not. </p>
<p>If you want facts there are many books/studies on Ivy League admission practices. </p>
<p>By the way- having an idiot get into Yale (BUSH) proves my point itself. He did not get there because he was intelligent in any way. CASE CLOSED!</p>
<p>Based on the fact that HES grads get Harvard degrees, it will be interesting to see whether it eventually becomes flooded with applications from high stat students who -- due to the virtual impossibility of getting into Harvard College-- decide to go to HES since they'll leave with a Harvard degree.</p>
<p>I bet that lots of prestige whores avidly are reading this thread and making plans....</p>
<p>I'd hate to see kids make that mistake. Maybe we should link to some other threads for some balance.</p>
<p>The following thread describes the life of an 18 year old at HES who didn't choose the courses carefully to officially get into a degree program and is unhappy with the social life. </p>
<p>The OP from this thread decided to go to Centre College in Kentucky</p>
<p>am01: where on earth did your friend do this study? I'm currently a student at an Ivy League school, and happen to know some of these rich legacies/development cases. While some of them may not be as bright as the average student here (as if that's saying anything!) they are still FAR above average. I don't think anyone would characterize them as "idiots." That would be akin to saying that the 3d string quarterback of the Patriots is a bad athlete! It's basically comparing a, say, 140 IQ with 115. I have not met a single person here who would be called an "idiot"...intellects just seem to range from very bright to absolutely brilliant :-)</p>
<p>also, am01, did you even attend (for undergrad) one of these schools you're maligning?</p>
<p>Yes, Bush was admitted to Yale...forty years ago, before women were allowed in, and when there were only a handful of minorities. Repeatedly citing the result of Yale's old admission process is beating the dead horse. Omg, Yale had unfair, biased-toward-rich-white-males admissions policies in the 1960s? No way!!! What a revelation! </p>
<p>Yale, and the rest of the Ivy League, has changed since then. If you can name a specific person who's graduated in the last 10 or so years who's a total idiot (note: by idiot I don't mean "not genius"), let me know. I'd be surprised.</p>
<p>I maintain my belief that: messing up a country with questionable foreign policy =! idiot.</p>
<p>Harvard isn't just about the books/classes.
You can take the same classes online and read the same books, OK, so maybe (just maybe) you are as smart as the kids who attend the College, but when you get out into the real world no one will look at a Harvard Extension School degree as very valuable. It is equal to pretty much any other online degree. Because in the end, that's what it is.......an ONLINE degree.</p>
<p>Harvard College is so much more, its about the people/connections you make, its about the professors you get to know, and although we all hate to admit it, its also the prestige of attending the school. Yes, its also the books/coursework but, Harvard isn't known for having better academics than any other school, it's mainly known for its grueling and competitive admissions process, and the brilliant kids that are lucky enough to be accepted and attend. Its like an elite club known for the members, not the activities.</p>
<p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but HES is not an online degree is it?</p>
<p>Firstly Mochamaven- There are at least some idiots in the ivy league. If there weren't, it would be a perfect system- nothing is perfect.</p>
<p>JUST RELAX ok? I said some. Since you're basically between "bright to absolutely brilliant", you should know the defintion of some.
Further more, practices of the late 60's still occur. Just ask all the African americans out there (wealthy ones) that are still not admitted into country clubs ect....yes things have changed- but not everyone has changed.</p>
<p>As far as my credientials, read my previous posts. I am from Canada and never wanted to leave home (therefore did not apply t o ivys which are only in the USA). I attended the best universities in Canada- Including UofT (for Undergrad) which is often refered to the "ivy or Harvard of the North". AND my degree was in Applied Math (not to shabby). My executive MBA is from the third BEST executive MBA program in the WORLD (it was joint Kellogg-Schulich program). So please don't question me about what schools I have attended.</p>
<p>Thanks for comming out. Later.</p>
<p>Beefs- you're right! HES can be completed entirely on campus. </p>
<p>Orange41- HES DOES NOT offer any degrees that can be completed entirely online. Sorry just wnated to clear up the mis-information you are providing on this thread.</p>
<p>am01...i was never questioning your credentials, it's clear you went to some very good schools. What I am questioning is your authority to comment on the "Ivies" you've been talking about, never having attended one! Trust, me, a person who was actually an idiot could never survive at my school. Some people may seem "stupid" compared to the average ivy student, but that honestly says nothing bad about their intelligence lol...it's just means they're not as brilliant as that ridiculous kid in abstract algebra section. </p>
<p>And just because some country clubs are still stuck in the 50s doesn't mean the Ivies are. My class is composed of 40% ethnic minorities, and about half my class is on financial aid. Yes, there are some developmental admits but they're not nearly as stupid as Bush. There are people clambering over each other to donate millions to top schools so that there kids can go there...so the Ivies do get some leeway in deciding which developmental cases are admitted. Like I said, they might not be as qualified/brilliant as some of the absurdly smart people here, but they are still very, very bright.</p>
<p>and as a fellow Canadian (albeit displaced now!) I can speak to the fact that undergrad admissions and student life/education in American schools vs. Canadian schools are very, very different. This is probably why you see HES differently from some on this board...here people place a ton of weight on campus life and experience. If they perceive that HES lacks that, they think (probably rightfully so) that HES students are not getting the full Harvard package. The courses are only half your education...the people are the other.</p>
<p>Absolutely NOT. OP, You couldn't be serious!??</p>
<p>Mochamaven- I stand by what I said becasuse I am simply saying it happens and it happend to someone I know (getting it - without deserving it) I am sure it's a tiny percentage- but like I said before, even the ivys are not perfect.</p>
<p>So you're Canadian eh?? lol....I guess I should give my fellow Canadian a break..
Anyways I do agree with your point about the importance of campus life in the US vs Canada. I never disagreed with you point on HES undergrad vs Harvard college, nor do I believe that HES is in the same wieght class as Harvard college. I know there is a difference, however both still fall under the larger Harvard umbrella.</p>
<p>If you can't think people can talk about the ivies because they never attended, that is about as elitist as one can get, imo</p>
<p>and some AT harvard aren't "getting the full package either"- </p>
<p>ps- the classes are Harvard Classes...period</p>
<p>ps- I found the classes, many are shown online, which is great, and to be honest, they were good, but didn't "blow my mind"</p>