I trusted a nice-looking guy to walk me back to my dorm from the Student Union, and he started trying to kiss me, even when I told him to stop. Thank God some people came out of a nearby building and he left. That taught me not to be so trusting!
So OP, are you saying you give women rapist vibes? [-X X_X
(Sorry. You set yourself up for that one, pal.)
You and Timothy McVeigh have a lot in commom: Who cares if innocent people are collateral damage, so long as you get every single one of the guilty…
You somehow think jails are like hotels where you can just check in and check out for work or school. No, they aren’t. It is very difficult to get accepted into the work release programs as they take a lot of paperwork and personnel to make them work. There also aren’t jails on every street corner. Many are ‘out in the boonies’ as people don’t want to live near them, or they are in industrial areas. Not a bus or Uber to take you to and from work. Maybe you’d also like a program where the accused could build up some credit by going to work release first, then if accused could just use days already served against his crime?
Teaching people not to rape and teaching preventative measures are not mutually exclusive. Stay in groups, don’t go to the upper floors of frat houses, don’t leave drinks unattended or just throw the drink out and get a new one are things I’ve taught my daughters, but I hope parents of other students are teaching them not to rape too. Probably the rule they don’t like is the travel in pairs one, but it worked at camps when they were 9, and I hope it works on campus too. My daughter who lives in a sorority house also has this rule when the girls are at a function. If she wants to leave, she has to have a partner to leave with (or 2 girls walk her home then return as a pair). Of course a boyfriend can become an attacker, but I hope my girls are staying in control of the situation then too, not getting drunk or being with them when they are drunk.
I’ll go with the odds. I’ll teach prevention and reduction of risk. When my daughter traveled to Paris, I stressed not using an ATM in an unsecured area. A teacher and two students in her group were robbed when they used an ATM at night on an empty street. Did they have the right to use that ATM? Of course. Was it a good idea? Obviously not. My daughter thinks I’m a genius because I foresee these things.
Title IX requires schools to intervene when unwelcome conduct is so offensive or persistent as to interfere with a student’s ability to learn or benefit from school. It does not require schools to necessarily expel or mark transcripts, and certainly not for failing to ask permission before each and every step. Even OCR told schools that Title IX is not supposed to be punitive, but rather just pragmatic.
If I were governor, you’d have been able to report that guy. The witnesses could also have backed your story. That would have gotten him a night in jail, though likely not put on his permanent public record. If he did it to any other women, anywhere, the police would be able to see that incident, though, and the next time would be more than a night.
Would that make you feel safer to trust more guys, if they all knew you had some recourse?
This is truly the most bizarre thread I have read in a long, long time
“Would that make you feel safer to trust more guys, if they all knew you had some recourse?”
What keeps a woman from going up to the room with you, or anyone else, is not a fear of not having recourse. It’s a fear of being raped.
Other fears – fear of being blamed for the assault, or not being believed, or facing social ostracization – are real, but by and large they are not why women refuse in the first place. Fear of experiencing an act that is physically and emotionally scarring is deterrent enough to (wisely) refuse to go back to the room of someone you’ve just met.
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How could the police possibly do a thorough investigation without contacting the accused?
I cannot believe you are proposing that in addition to men being subject to conviction without due process you are also proposing that they be subject to being tracked in a national database. I do not believe in giving the government that much control without any checks/balances.
Any convictions should be obtained in court.
OP, the depths of your lack of understanding about how criminal justice works is astounding. You’ve got the university involved in locking people up, the police, and now the governor. Everyone but the sole institution empowered by the Constitution of the United States to actually lock people up: the courts.
To pick just one glaring hole in your little idea to get more dates: Do you not see the problem with locking people up based only on unexamined witness testimony? Unexamined, BTW, means that the accuser’s testimony is not subjected to cross examination – a right which is guaranteed to all of us under the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution.
Since we’re on the topic… here’s a recent story about an attempted date rape that got thrawrted.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/3-women-allegedly-stopped-date-200100109.html
》》 Monica, Marla, and I were at FIG at the Fairmont for their delicious happy hour (‘Fig at 5.’ Treat yourself)," one of the women, who goes by the name Sonia Ulrich on Facebook, posted. “I was going on about something and saw Monica staring behind and making a funny face. I stopped. ‘What’s going on?’ After a few second she said ‘That guy just put something in her drink.’”
Ulrich wrote she had to “Warn her. Tell her to get up and leave this creep. Make him drink it. Something.” So she lingered in the bathroom to meet the woman in question and said her date had dropped an unknown substance into her beverage, only for the woman to say the man who did it was her “best friend.” 《《
Currently, police can hold you for 48-72 hours depending on the city, without work release, and telling the newspaper that you were arrested. I think 7 days with work release and no newspaper report would be a lesser penalty.
We can build jails for the merely accused within town. Jails for the obviously guilty are what we don’t want in town.
If every guy and every woman knew a woman could put a guy in jail, I suspect some of the rapists would think twice, and the women would know it. Your suggestion that women simply not trust guys sounds less than optimal. I agree about the ATM, since there is nothing to gain by being there.
Courts are for determining longer stays.
If a woman actually put a guy in jail, he would get to cross examine her in front of the investigator first. I see no harm in the database. A DNA base for rape kits passed the Idaho legislature unanimously. I want to expand it to include the DNA collected from the accused, not just DNA from kits.
You’re just messin with us now, right?
- Police cannot hold anyone for 48-72 hours without a legally defensible -- constitutional -- reason.
- 7 days? Where did you pull that number out of?
- Who determines who's "obviously guilty" and on what basis?
- Who decides which cases go before a court, and which are handled by your kangaroo court?
- In the kangaroo court, does the accused get to have a lawyer to cross-examine the accuser?
- Why do you hate the Constitution?
What is wrong with the school’s system is they are marking transcripts, giving names to the newspapers, and expelling even when it is not necessary for separating the two. They are also allowing 3rd party accusations. All that needs to stop.
http://my.earthlink.net/article/us?guid=20160528/0dce94b1-8db2-4998-93aa-0c419f8837d9
Their level of evidence does not match the penalty.
I’ve been corresponding with Wendy Murphy. Overturning the Dear Colleague letter, which she initiated, will take a good court case. I think adjusting its scope is more feasible. That or a very specific modification by Congress to Title IV and Title IX.
Seriously, @traveller2013 ? You’ve gone from fining people to jailing them?
Y’all are just gonna end up banging your head against a wall if you keep arguing with him. He isn’t here for discussion.
BTW, I withdrew from school last semester, my first semester in graduate school, because I was so upset by these rules. The fact that schools push affirmative consent for all touches, use a super low standard of evidence, and then ruin men’s lives, is very upsetting to me. I want to end that. But we also need to be realistic about ending rape. We need penalties that discourage rapists and track suspects but don’t ruin the lives of the innocent.
I’m thinking of going back to school in the fall, or maybe just going into the work force. But I won’t be dating anyone until this is fixed. I’m planning to sue my school’s Title IX office on behalf of the men of school, getting standing by citing a chilling effect.
Lol. Good luck with that.
Jail by contract? Not such a bad idea. I want the girl to agree in the same contract app that I can jail her on my say so when I think she is being excessively jealous.
Doesn’t that discriminate against low income rapists who can’t afford smartphones?
And are you going to offer a Spaniah version of the app for the hordes of illegal immigrants from Mexico who are supposedly all rapists?
Well what do you want to do about the current university courts, then?
At my school, they say they use preponderance of evidence, but basically they take her on her word. They just ask him a ton of questions, and nothing he says that suggests innocence is relevant; they only look for stuff that suggests guilt. Then they expel him. Did anyone read the links I posted? Those football player’s names and faces are all over the internet now. Employer’s will find the incident with a google search for years to come.
I think the current system is far worse.